VincentVega

NCBulls -- point taken. Glad to see someone can change their opinion, back it up with objective analysis and stats and feel good and confident about it. It's not often that happens, especially on messageboards.

Props for logic.

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Good points, and it is probably a bit early for me to be trying to commandeer the Hinrich bandwagon, but note that even if we limit the analysis to the games since Hinrich started playing, the Bulls are playing better when Hinrich is in there versus when he is not. And with perhaps our best player coming off the bench and given the "crappy" line-ups that Hinrich has started games with (Gill and Robinson) versus the best players on other teams, it is simply amazing that the plus/minus is plus for him.

And he also has not had the chance to really play with Chandler, our MVP of the first five games. I am really excited to see what a Hinrich-Gill-Rose or Robinson or Marshall-Chandler-Curry lineup can do. And finally I think Crawford's mind is in the right place; it is just that good decision-making is not his forte. Shooting and creating shots are his greatest strengths.

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VincentVega

NCBulls, what would you make of a Hinrich-Crawford starting backcourt? Personally, I'd love to see it.

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Watch how willing KH is to give up the ball. If Rose or Erob is 30 feet ahead of him on the wing on a semi-break, he'll pass it up. There is no obvious opportunity, but it makes the defense react in a small way. Sometimes when the defense reacts to the mild wing threat, it opens a slightly greater threat of a cutter or 3pt shooter. When the defense reacts to the greater threat, a crack wide enough for an open jump shot emerges.

I think that Kirk's game on O is all about making the defense react, even in small ways. When I see Jamal in the same situation, he doesn't seem to recognize the value of the mild threat. He wants to wait until the great threat emerges before acting. Unfortunately, that jump from no threat to scoring opportunity will often not occur in a 24 second window- leading to a bad shot. If Jamal can learn the value of the mild threat from watching Kirk, he can be a much better baller.

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I really don't have anything original to add. I think it depends on how well Crawford can guard the SGs. In fact, what would be nice for the long-term is if Crawford could put on enough strength that when cross-matched with a stong defending SF, he could guard the SF position when the SG was real stud.

But ideally Crawford would spread the floor more than Gill does and provide a fallback option when the shot clock was running down. I also think having Hinrich around could over time turn Crawford into a better PG himself.

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Da Grinch

being the best college player and pro prospect are 2 different things....
for example juan dixon was acc player of the year & won the NCAA's went in the 2nd round

jay williams went 2nd overall the same year

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GB

Did he say Tinsley?

futuristxen

You don't have to worry about Tinsley looking for his own shot. He has none.

superdave

happy, give it a rest. My quote was talking about how Hinrich was a legit 1st rounder after his junior year. What Juan Dixon has to do with this I have no idea.

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Da Grinch

my point is pretty simple what kirk did in college means nothing now ,where he was drafted means very little ,and where he was supposed to be drafted after his junior year means less than that.

college is not pro ball i could care les what he did to missori or Umass or willaim and mary or whoever he played

so take your own advice and give it a rest

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Crawford vs. Hinrich (post #1)


Like to hear thoughts on how everyone thinks these two matchup. Here is nbadraft.net profiles for each guy before they were drafted. Give your thoughts on who is better passer,scorer,defender,shooter,etc.


Kirk Hinrich:


Strengths: A ““coaches son”” possesses excellent quickness and court awareness. Very solid fundamentally on
offense and defense. A strong competitor with the knack for getting a big bucket when his team needs it. Excellent
defender with the ability to guard bigger guards. Good distributor and floor general with a good assist to turnover
ratio (1.91) could be even higher if not for KU’’s run and gun style. Great shooter with true three-point range (47%).
Very good size at the point position. Controls the flow of the game pretty well. Awesome in transition and a good
finisher in traffic. Plays well under pressure. Very unselfish and he definitely has a PG mentality. Deceptively athletic,
looks harmless but can get up and finish on the break. Can get by quicker and more physical defenders because he
is crafty with the ball. Decent catch and shoot after he comes off a screen but he is better shooting of the dribble.
Competes hard on the boards especially for a guard (4.7 rpg). Free throw percentage is good (79%) but can improve
considering his shooting ability.

Weaknesses: Biggest hurdle for Heinrich is developing toughness. Needs to be more assertive and his game can
really expand. Must develop his strength and endurance to withstand an 82 game pro season. One more year in
Coach Williams’’s system will help but he needs to work hard over the summer to take his game to the next level. At
times he makes bad decisions on the defensive end and picks up senseless fouls so attention must be paid to his
defense. Could stand to be a little more selfish on offense and should try to get his shot a little more.


Jamal Crawford:

Strengths: Very good run/jump athlete. Can handle the ball very well and played point at times for the
Wolverines. Has great quickness, good offensive skills. Great first step and explosiveness.
Weaknesses: Very underdeveloped body. Could use another year in school to mature physically and
mentally. Must get better defensively


i admit it its not an exact copy but you are repeating a scouts view on kirk

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rlucas4257

Dave, there is a pattern developing here. You can say Jordan sucked and happy will come back with a post saying Jordan didnt suck as much as Larry Bird sucked and make it look like you said Larry Bird sucked even though Larry Bird was never mentioned in your original post.............................i have just gone cross-eyed

Da Grinch

wow this is a reach by you

and check the date you are entering about something written 4 days ago...but hey have fun

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