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Illstate2 · 11-16-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by C.C.C.P!

Wynn lets not get carried away,

The Artest trade was one of the more off-balanced moves in recent NBA history. We gave up two players who are playing at an all-star level for a player who has only shown the ability to be a fringe contributor.

"Fringe contributor".

Thats a hell of an overstatement. For all his faults, Rose is still more than a fringe contributor. He's still the best, most consistent scorer we have, and one of our better passers.

Also, people seem to forget that we absolutely sucked when we had Artest and Miller. Now, we still suck with Rose, but not to the extent that we did with Artest and Miller.

**Wynn** · 11-17-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by C.C.C.P!

Wynn lets not get carried away,

The Artest trade was one of the more off-balanced moves in recent NBA history. We gave up two players who are playing at an all-star level for a player who has only shown the ability to be a fringe contributor.

Artest is the driving force behind the Pacer's dominating start. Everything he does is conducive to winning. He deserves to be a starter on this years all-star team and as of late, is making a push towards being one of the handfull of best players in the league.

Miller is one of the top five centers in the league. He is getting more then his fair share of burn on a Sacremento team that is deep and has a past all-star at his native position. Have you seen him this year? He really has stepped up.

We traded away two all-stars, one of which Miller merely so we could get playing time for Curry. You don't trade away an all-star free playing time. Bring Eddy along slowly, Miller could be a major contributor.

The Bulls suck on defense and lack energy--Ron Ron's two spikes. He has the heart and sole of Chicago and I will be bitter at this organization for the next 20 years for giving up on him too early.

I agree, CCCP!, that it's highly debatable as to whether or not it was a good trade. I am convinced, however, that the Bull knew what it was giving up to get Rose. They knew all about Ron-Ron's emotional issues off the court as well as his drive on the court. No one disputed BMiller's value on this club, but the move was made to open up space for Eddy.

Again, agree or not with the decisions, but they were not made blindly.

Lizzy · 11-17-2003, 01:23 PM

1st of all they gave up Mercer, Miller and Artest and all Indiana has kept is Artest. They couldn't pay Brad and dumper Mercer. Looks like the trade was weird for both teams.

2nd - I think Jamal could be a more exciting, better shot blocking Rip Hamilton if he was given the chance.

Natty Dreadlockz · 11-18-2003, 09:06 AM

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I really see him as a poor man's cross between QRich and Rip Hamilton... although they both attack the rim with more regularity than what Jamal does

I see your point on my comparison of Jamal to KJ... I was off by a mile... But... He's no Q-Rich or Rip either... Jamal can't shoot well enough, to be compared to those cat's... And he definitely doesn't have Q's all round game... After thinking about it a lil more... I can't really come up with any comparison's... Because, all of the player's I'm thinking about are out of the NBA.

**superdave** · 11-18-2003, 09:29 AM

Larry Hughes. Though Hughes is the tougher defender and better rebounder, slasher and finisher. Crawford the better shooter and passer. Both came into the L after only 1 year of college. Hughes was a prolific scorer at GS, but it look a while for everyone to realize HE WAS NOT a PG. Now he's having arguably his best season in WAS alongside Arenas.

2003 Jammy:
13.3ppg / 4.6ast / 2.7reb / 40%FG / 40% 3pt

Career Larry:
13.4ppg / 3.2ast / 4.3reb / 42%FG / 25% 3pt

2003 Larry (having a fine season btw at the 2):
17.9ppg / 2.5ast / 4.6reb / 45%FG / 42% 3 pt

3 years / 14.7M
sounds about right for Jamal no?!

GB · 11-18-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Lizzy!
I think Jamal could be a more exciting, better shot blocking Rip Hamilton if he was given the chance.

Thats fair. Really fair.

Perhaps thats why he's not the starting PG. And perhaps a trade of Rose will get him back on the floor.

I like it.

**jimmy** · 11-18-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by GB!

Thats fair. Really fair.

Perhaps thats why he's not the starting PG. And perhaps a trade of Rose will get him back on the floor.

I like it.

Or why can't we just move Rose over to SF. That's the position he played in Indy. That's the positon he played last year when Jay and Jamal were playing together.

If management loves Kirk so much at point, don't waste Crawford's passing and scoring ability. If you want JC at SG instead of Rose, don't waste Rose's passing and scoring ability.

Kirk
JC
Rose
TC
EC

I know why BC wouldn't play this lineup, but it's worth a shot. I truly believe that JC and Rose are "overrated as bad defenders"

GB · 11-18-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by JAF311!

Or why can't we just move Rose over to SF. That's the position he played in Indy. That's the positon he played last year when Jay and Jamal were playing together.

If management loves Kirk so much at point, don't waste Crawford's passing and scoring ability. If you want JC at SG instead of Rose, don't waste Rose's passing and scoring ability.

Kirk
JC
Rose
TC
EC

I know why BC wouldn't play this lineup, but it's worth a shot. I truly believe that JC and Rose are "overrated as bad defenders"

They aren't...and thats the reason. We'd score 105 and give up 110.

DaBullz · 11-18-2003, 03:25 PM

Rose is playing SF mostly.

Our guards have been Gill and Hinrich.

Laid-Backness06 · 11-18-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by jsong!
I see Mercer when I seee Jamal.

On defense, They are about bad as one can be. No comparison here.

ON offense, I put Mercer slightly up than Jamal. At least Mercer penetrate the defense a lot more than Jamal. And Mercer can play postup play if necessary. Even as a shooter, Mercer has long proven himself in this league.

Yet we all remember how much people hated him here. I am wonderring how much of those Mercer hater are now Jamal fans. What an irony!

You're right. I didn't think about it, but Jamal does remind me of Mercer.

**ViciousFlogging** · 11-18-2003, 04:58 PM

Mercer is at least an average defender. Not great, but usually passable.

He also avoided the blame Crawford is getting because he wasn't the primary ballhandler, so he wasn't accused of needing 20 seconds to uncork his low percentage jumpers. He just took them whenever he received the pass.

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