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GB · 11-18-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by kukoc4ever!

I guess I'd just say that we should look back at the end of last season. Curry played his best ball ever while Crawford was playing like an all-star.

Why wouldn't that work now?

Because he's being doubled and sometimes triple teamed---IOW---he's the focus of the defense now. Good ball movement needs to take place---and whether Jamal is to blame or not, it didn't happen when he was in as starter and it did with Hinrich.

I don't think C'Wright ever meant for Hinrich to be the full-time starter---I think he only meant it to be for a game or two...

futuristxen · 11-18-2003, 01:53 PM

@ Magic 43min 12-21FG 8 assists 2 Stls 29 points
@ NO 28 minutes 4-9 FG 6 assists 3 steals 14 points
Philly 30 minutes 7-16FG 5 assists 19 points

2 wins, 1 loss
33 mpg 23-46(50%FG) 6.3 assists 1.6 steals 20ppg

compared to Kobe's current season averages:
37.6MPG .463FG% 3.9APG 2.11SPG 21.8PPG

Aren't random and small samplings of games fun, dabullz? Kobe better watch out. Crawford appears to be the better player even in less minutes. YOWZA!

We better hurry up and trade this kid. He's completely worthless.

Happyface · 11-18-2003, 01:57 PM

ok, first of all i meant Quentin Richardson was on my fantasy squad, not Candy. I watched LA play a few times last year because of Q, and Candy didnt play poorly. I dont know how you can say he cant rebound, his numbers might not be too high in rebounds, but that has largely to do with Brand. Didnt Candy have a few 12+ rebound games last year, i could've sworn i was watching one in particular where he had like 15+? And Olowokandi is much better than your giving him credit for when hes healthy, and i stand by that. Although i'm not saying he will ever live up to his #1 pick status, then again there are TONS of players who never lived up to their lottery pick(Jay Williams, Joe Smith, etc, etc.) either. I mean your talking about a #1 pick, and by that measure you expect him to be a superstar.

Anyways, to get back on Jamal, if your going to say Jamal is a bust already, and his career will mirror Candy's, i have no problem with that. I just cant wait until he proves you wrong and i get to gloat. Afterall, thats really the bottomline here. There are some saying hes good but he doesnt fit with the Bulls which i can accept at this point. There are some saying hes not good and will be a bust wherever he goes of which i strongly disagree with. And there are some of us who support Jamal, and have confidence in his game. All this bickering over what the outcome will be is moot, only time will tell~

Before this post, the detractors were saying Jamal never showed anything to deserve the praise he gets. Which is why i posted it, because i think alot of those people have such short-term memories, they quickly forget and only go by the few games this year. Its convenient how some people will also post stats to show how good a player is, then knock Jamal using the excuse that his stats are misleading or discrediting them. I'm not saying stats cant be misleading, but i am saying Jamal earned every bit of the stats he accumulated last year, earned them more than any other Bull on the roster did. In closing, its clear Jamal isnt going to get a fair shake by the organization or the fans in Chicago, never has and never will. I'm sure many will hope he flops elsewhere. Just remember what stance you took is all i ask, since i'll surely remember mine and own up to it when theres a clearer picture of the outcome

giusd · 11-18-2003, 02:01 PM

All this this and that about JC misses the point. The only thing holding back JC is JC. Someone posted he has 13 fouls in 10 games. Really that says it all. He has great talent but just does not understand the game and clearly is not a student of the game. He was a late developing ball player who should have stayed in college and learned the fundementals. This in my opinion is and remains his major weakness. Mo Cheeks never made a pass or shoot harder than it needed to be. JC always seems to (i am sorry here) showing off. He just is not a get your hands dirty, gritty, student of the game ball player. Until this changes he will never be anything but a steaky player.

david

Natty Dreadlockz · 11-18-2003, 02:24 PM

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I watched LA play a few times last year because of Q, and Candy didnt play poorly. I dont know how you can say he cant rebound, his numbers might not be too high in rebounds, but that has largely to do with Brand. Didnt Candy have a few 12+ rebound games last year, i could've sworn i was watching one in particular where he had like 15+? And Olowokandi is much better than your giving him credit for when hes healthy, and i stand by that. Although i'm not saying he will ever live up to his #1 pick status, then again there are TONS of players who never lived up to their lottery pick(Jay Williams, Joe Smith, etc, etc.) either. I mean your talking about a #1 pick, and by that measure you expect him to be a superstar.

I ain't got anything against Kandi... Just my opinion on his play the last 5 year's... He's a poor rebounder, mainly because of his slow feet... A couple 12+ rebound games are great, but he wasn't the deciding factor in any game's outcome during his career... He's an average C in the West, and that's a compliment... I wasn't really tripping off his #1 overall status... Hell... Miles wen't #3... Never expected him to be a superstar considering he hadn't played that many year's of ball... But the cat couldn't even average 15 and 10 on putback's when Odom.. Maggs and Q were throwing up brick's... Maybe Kandi decided to tank his last three year's in LA because he knew he wasn't part of their long term plans after his second season.

DaBullz · 11-18-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by futuristxen!
@ Magic 43min 12-21FG 8 assists 2 Stls 29 points
@ NO 28 minutes 4-9 FG 6 assists 3 steals 14 points
Philly 30 minutes 7-16FG 5 assists 19 points

2 wins, 1 loss
33 mpg 23-46(50%FG) 6.3 assists 1.6 steals 20ppg

compared to Kobe's current season averages:
37.6MPG .463FG% 3.9APG 2.11SPG 21.8PPG

Aren't random and small samplings of games fun, dabullz? Kobe better watch out. Crawford appears to be the better player even in less minutes. YOWZA!

We better hurry up and trade this kid. He's completely worthless.

He's not worthless. He's "worth less" than the ghost of a player you think he is. The actual flesh and blood Jamal has been unimpressive far more of the time than he's been impressive.

**ace20004u** · 11-18-2003, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by giusd!
All this this and that about JC misses the point. The only thing holding back JC is JC. Someone posted he has 13 fouls in 10 games. Really that says it all. He has great talent but just does not understand the game and clearly is not a student of the game. He was a late developing ball player who should have stayed in college and learned the fundementals. This in my opinion is and remains his major weakness. Mo Cheeks never made a pass or shoot harder than it needed to be. JC always seems to (i am sorry here) showing off. He just is not a get your hands dirty, gritty, student of the game ball player. Until this changes he will never be anything but a steaky player.

david

Not a student of the game?

Jamal spends tons of his free time watching vintage NBA tapes. He mentored with Gary Payton as a senior in HS and ever since during the summers. He wears his freaking headband in memory of Slick Watts for crying out loud. What I can't figure out is why people make comments about other people when they clearly don't have any real knowledge about that person! Jamal is a SERIOUS student of the game. I guess he's in your doghouse because he doesn't foul more often...of all the ridiculous things...

**truebluefan** · 11-18-2003, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by Happyface!
2002-03:
Appeared in a career-high 80 games for the Chicago Bulls, making 31 starts in third NBA season. … Averaged career-highs of 10.7 ppg, 4.2 apg and 2.3 apg, shooting .413 from the floor, including .355 from three-point range and a career-high .806 from the free throw line. … Started the final 20 games of the season, averaging 18.7 ppg and 6.9 apg (with a 3.04 assists-to-turnover ratio), shooting .458 from the floor and .406 from three-point range. … Set career highs in three-point field goals made (86) and attempted (242). … Three-pointers made was the 14th-highest single season total in Bulls history. … Scored 20+ points on 11 occasions and reached 30+ points two times. … Recorded double-figure assists four times, recording a double-double in each of those contests (including two games of 20+ points and 10+ assists). … Led the Bulls in scoring on six occasions, including four of the final six games, and in assists 27 times, including eight of the last nine games. … Averaged 16.0 ppg and 6.0 apg, shooting .439 from the floor and .389 from three-point range in 31 starting assignments. … Averaged 14.2 ppg and 5.4 apg, shooting .431 from the floor and .369 from three-point range in 33 games after the All-Star break. … Exploded in the month of April, averaging 23.0 ppg and 6.5 apg, shooting .466 from the floor and .360 from three-point range. … Reached the 20-point plateau for the first time in his NBA career, scoring 20 points in 23 minutes off the bench versus Minnesota (12/27). … Played a career-high 50 minutes and scored 16 points with 7 rebounds and 7 assists at Milwaukee (1/10). … Played 28 minutes off the bench and scored 21 points at Washington (3/1). … Came off the bench and scored 21 points in 28 minutes at Washington (3/1). … Earned the starting position for the remainder of the season on March 6 versus Golden State, authoring his first-ever double-double with 15 points and a career-high 10 assists in 31 minutes. … Led the Bulls to victory over the L.A. Lakers, scoring 24 points with 10 assists in 32 minutes. … Scored 18 points with 10 assists versus Sacramento (3/29). … Scored a career-high 33 points with 8 assists in victory over Indiana (4/8). … Scored 19 points with 7 assists and 6 rebounds versus New Jersey (4/11). … Matched career high, scoring 33 points with a career-high 5 three-pointers in the season finale versus Philadelphia (4/15). … Missed one game due to personal reasons (11/9). … Missed one game with a sprained right ankle (12/31).

Funny thing is alot of you judge him based off of 4 games this year as opposed to everything above from last year

Also keep in mind him and Jay split time the whole first half of last season. And as you can see, once he became the fulltime starter, he blew up.

4 games? He has played in all of the games but 1.

first 6 games that he started and recorded heavy minutes we gave up over 100 pts more than we scored. Last few games with Jamal off of the bench and missing the last game even, we have given up 7 more points than we have scored. Did you know that? Its there. Just go do the math and you will see.

**truebluefan** · 11-18-2003, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by giusd!
All this this and that about JC misses the point. The only thing holding back JC is JC. Someone posted he has 13 fouls in 10 games. Really that says it all. He has great talent but just does not understand the game and clearly is not a student of the game. He was a late developing ball player who should have stayed in college and learned the fundementals. This in my opinion is and remains his major weakness. Mo Cheeks never made a pass or shoot harder than it needed to be. JC always seems to (i am sorry here) showing off. He just is not a get your hands dirty, gritty, student of the game ball player. Until this changes he will never be anything but a steaky player.

david

Thank you.

**ace20004u** · 11-18-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by truebluefan!

4 games? He has played in all of the games but 1.

first 6 games that he started and recorded heavy minutes we gave up over 100 pts more than we scored. Last few games with Jamal off of the bench and missing the last game even, we have given up 7 more points than we have scored. Did you know that? Its there. Just go do the math and you will see.

so it's your assertion that because Jamal was the starting pg he is responsible for all of the teams blowout losses. Despite the fact that his teamates played like warm feces to start the season?

**truebluefan** · 11-18-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by ace20004u!

so it's your assertion that because Jamal was the starting pg he is responsible for all of the teams blowout losses. Despite the fact that his teamates played like warm feces to start the season?

He is partly to blame. I never said all of it. But I went back to compare the scores of the games he started and after the benching. His defense does have a lot to do with the problem. But of course he is not be blamed for all of it.

All I am saying is, people are throwing out his offense all over the place as proof that he is a player. I say there is more to it than his offense. I think Jamal can be a very good player in this league. But he needs to play:

1. team ball, not street ball.
2. Play both ends of the court. EVERYNIGHT.

Granted we have more than one player who needs to improve on defense, but it seems strange to me that since his benching our point differential has improved. I dont have the shooting pct of our opp since the New Orleans game. I would be interested in seeing how we have done in that area since Jamal has not started.

Happyface · 11-18-2003, 03:38 PM

It amazes me how so many people can put all the blame of the first few losses on Jamal. Was it really Jamal that caused so many people to shoot poorly even with open looks? Was it Jamal that had Donyell sitting on the bench most of those games? Was Jamal to blame for Curry's poor play? I guess you'll blame Jamal for why Rivers got fired too somehow

Even without Jamal, and when the Bulls lose, the same Jamal-haters try and take away from Jamal by saying at least they werent blown out. I mean theres no way Jamal could redeem himself to some of you haters, you seem to be looking for every excuse to blame Jamal for anything that goes wrong with the Bulls. I cant wait till hes out of here, and you have to pin the blame on someone other than Jamal as your scapegoat for everything.

DaBullz · 11-18-2003, 04:01 PM

Opponents' team stats:

SEA 38-79 FG (.481) 13-27 3pt (.481) 34 reb 25 ast 18 to 9 stl 3 blk 100 pts
MIN 38-84 FG (.452) 4-15 3pt (.267) 44 reb 24 ast 16 to 9 stl 3 blk 92 pts
@BOS 28-85 FG (.329) 8-27 3pt (.296) 42 reb 22 ast 12 to 10 stl 3 blk 82 pts
DEN 33-87 FG (.379) 6-13 3pt (.462) 48 reb 22 ast 17 to 16 stl 3 blk 105 pts
@NOR 36-78 FG (.462) 9-24 3pt (.375) 31 reb 27 ast 15 to 14 stl 1 blk 106 pts

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