[kamego]

Glad to see Andre Brown is playing like himself. My man from DePaul has always been able to rebound like crazy. He really reminds me of a poor mans ben wallace. I hope the Cav's keep him past the summer league because he could be a solid defender off the bench.

[remy23]

Cleveland vs. Washington

The Wizards won 81-72.

There is no official MVP award given out at the Pepsi Pro Summer League in Orlando. But if there was, a leading candidate to this point would be Washington’s man at the point, Steve Blake.

Blake, who poured in 20 points and hit the game-winner with 1.8 seconds left against Orlando yesterday, led the Wizards with 27 points and five assists, as Washington defeated Cleveland, 81-72, in Game #7 at the RDV Sportsplex.

Jarvis Hayes added 22 points for Washington, which improved to 3-0 in PPSL action. Dajuan Wagner led the way for the Cavaliers (2-1) with 22 points.

[Nevus]

Dajuan Wagner is as good as gone, in my opinion. The point guard experiment is failing. They've been winning until today, but he's not getting assists and his teammates are not getting good shots, apparently.

[remy23]

I don't agree with that at all, Nevus. It appears he is the best player on the team, so it's not his fault. At least, I'm hearing from a few guys who saw the games that Wagner is doing his part and it's not his fault.

The other game, the team shot 25% and only made 15 total field goals. If that's going on, not only are you missing shots, your teammates are too, so trying to get assists is impossible.

And from the game today, Luke only had 2 points. In this summer league, most of Wagner's assists have come from hitting Jackson. After all, he's the best man for Wagner to pass to on this summer squad. Langi made 9 of his 15 points from the foul line and the second unit did their stuff when the starters (including Wagner) were out of the game.

Boxscore

[Nevus]

Originally posted by remy23!
I don't agree with that at all, Nevus. It appears he is the best player on the team, so it's not his fault. At least, I'm hearing from a few guys who saw the games that Wagner is doing his part and it's not his fault.

The other game, the team shot 25% and only made 15 total field goals. If that's going on, not only are you missing shots, your teammates are too, so trying to get assists is impossible.

And from the game today, Luke only had 2 points. In this summer league, most of Wagner's assists have come from hitting Jackson. After all, he's the best man for Wagner to pass to on this summer squad. Langi made 9 of his 15 points from the foul line and the second unit did their stuff when the starters (including Wagner) were out of the game.

Boxscore

Well, we'll see when they're on TV soon, but I don't think Wagner will be a Cavalier next season. Just scoring is not enough and I don't see any evidence yet that he's doing anything else.

[remy23]

Originally posted by Nevus!


Well, we'll see when they're on TV soon, but I don't think Wagner will be a Cavalier next season. Just scoring is not enough and I don't see any evidence yet that he's doing anything else.

If the Cavaliers are trading him, then what for? And not a trade just to trade him, but what trade that makes this Cleveland squad a better team?

Wags is mostly scoring and grabbing a few boards here and there. So far, Jackson is getting more assists than Wagner, despite not being the point guard. Yet despite playing the PG position and being 7 inches smaller, Wagner is outrebounding Jackson. So it makes me think, summer league stats aren't the key, as much as how the players general feel for the game appears to be. Some eye-witness fans have said guys scoring 30 points in these games looked terrible yet guys with bad shooting days looked alright. So yeah, we'll see the team when the games are on next week. But the people at the games are saying it's not Juanny's fault. So until I can see it myself, I'll take their word on it.

[remy23]

Here are a few pictures from the 1st game in the Summer League (against Orlando).

I watched a game on the dish (not the Cleveland game) and I got the impression the games are like pick-up games. Usually a lot of turnovers, streaky shooting and little play-making. Either guys are going one-on-one or running a little 2-man game. But that's almost the extent of the teamwork I saw in that game I saw.


Juanny in route of hitting a circus shot.

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And here is Diop. Those who saw the game in person say his listed weight for the Summer League, which is around 270, must be false because he looks 300+. I hope that's not the case. I really hope Diop is in better shape than that.


Diop blocking a shot.

[hobojoe]

Originally posted by Nevus!


Well, we'll see when they're on TV soon, but I don't think Wagner will be a Cavalier next season. Just scoring is not enough and I don't see any evidence yet that he's doing anything else.

I agree. There's little doubt in my mind that Wagner will blossom into a very good scorer in this league, but it won't be with the Cavaliers. If the Clippers don't get Kobe, they'd need a SG/Scorer with Richardson on his way to Phoenix. Wagner straight up for Chris Wilcox, to replace Carlos Boozer.

Jeff McInnis
LeBron James
Luke Jackson
Chris Wilcox
Zyrdunas Ilgauskus

That's a playoff team in my opinion, somewhere from the 6-8 seed assuming everyone stays healthy, and Luke Jackson proves to be the stud we all think he's going to be. Wilcox has shown the ability to score and rebound in this league, so I don't see why he can't be every bit as good as Boozer was last season playing in the East alongside LeBron James.

[Nevus]

Originally posted by hobojoe!


I agree. There's little doubt in my mind that Wagner will blossom into a very good scorer in this league, but it won't be with the Cavaliers. If the Clippers don't get Kobe, they'd need a SG/Scorer with Richardson on his way to Phoenix. Wagner straight up for Chris Wilcox, to replace Carlos Boozer.

Jeff McInnis
LeBron James
Luke Jackson
Chris Wilcox
Zyrdunas Ilgauskus

That's a playoff team in my opinion, somewhere from the 6-8 seed assuming everyone stays healthy, and Luke Jackson proves to be the stud we all think he's going to be. Wilcox has shown the ability to score and rebound in this league, so I don't see why he can't be every bit as good as Boozer was last season playing in the East alongside LeBron James.

Yeah, something like that would make sense. If they can get a capable big man for Wagner, I wouldn't think twice about it.

[remy23]

Originally posted by hobojoe!
I agree. There's little doubt in my mind that Wagner will blossom into a very good scorer in this league, but it won't be with the Cavaliers. If the Clippers don't get Kobe, they'd need a SG/Scorer with Richardson on his way to Phoenix. Wagner straight up for Chris Wilcox, to replace Carlos Boozer.

I don't know if the Clippers would do the deal. Wilcox has higher trade value right now than Wagner and most still believe in Wilcox's potential. And to be honest, I don't know if Wagner would get much more time in LA than in Cleveland (unless Juanny starts, which would not be a given).

[remy23]

Originally posted by Nevus!


Yeah, something like that would make sense. If they can get a capable big man for Wagner, I wouldn't think twice about it.

Since you rarely trade bigs for smalls, unless the Clippers truly believe Wagner could be like AI, I don't see how the deal would happen.

[remy23]

Cleveland vs. New Jersey

The Nets won 83-72.

This was another bad shooting game for the Cavaliers; shooting 25% from the field in the 1st quarter. Ouch. If you can't buy a shot and you're struggling that bad (the entire team), then it's hard to win.

Boxscore

Wagner struggled from the field, Jackson played well but almost fouled out, and Kedrick Brown played pretty good.

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Here are some pictures of action from the Cavaliers-Wizards game and the Cavaliers-Celtics game. The first picture is the Cavaliers' leading scorer, Dajuan Wagner.


Wagner splits 3 defenders and finishes the lay-up.

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Kedrick has had 2 nice games in the Summer League and I'm glad they had a picture of him so I could post one. I hope they get a Jackson picture from the last game and if they do, he'll be up in this thread too.


Kedrick Brown finishes with a two-handed slam.

[GuyClinch]

What is up with Wags? 4 for 12? 6 for 17? This guy is not a point guard - he is a shooter/scorer. Of course when you take most of your teams shots your going to score.

I thought he intended to show the world he could play the point guard position. At best he is a combo guard - but personally I don't think his ball-handling is up to par from what I saw last season.

Kedrick - now I am one of the few that likes the guy. But they need to move him as well. With Wags, Newble, Jackson, Lebron, that jazz scrub, all on the same team.. I mean come on.

It obvious that the Cav's have WAY too many suspect swingman. Kedrick needs to get some burn - they should have left the guy unprotected that would have helped his career alot more. Maybe they can trade him to the bobcats for a second round pick.

Also what is the deal with Kedrick and his two handed dunks - it wastes his athletic ability. Someone seriously needs to teach him to palm the ball. Sure he might be only 6'7" but I am sure he can strengthen his hands enough to palm the ball. Your slashing game is going to suck if the only slashing type move is a two handed dunk!

If anyone gets into the SL games ask him about it - seriously. Either way Paxson and Silas are a woeful combination. Do you guys see this? I mean Silas just coaches that team awfully. I sometimes have trouble watching Silas botch his rotations.


Pete

[remy23]

Miami 94, Cleveland 89

Miami won its first game of the league and Cleveland lost again. The Cavs' star of the game was Dan Langhi, who dropped 25.

Boxscore

The Bad:

Wagner's shooting, Kedrick's shooting, Jackson being hurt and not playing.

The Good:

Diop has his best offensive game by far, Langi goes nuts, Lonnie Jones chips in off the bench for double-figures, and Wagner gets 5 assists to only 1 turnover.