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03-16-2005, 07:32 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
I expected us to lose since it's a road game, but these kind of losses are irritating because I don't think Silas is putting the team in the best position to win.
It makes no sense to arbitrarily change the rotation that worked to perfection in the last 2 games. The Bucks killed us early on because of the penetration on Jmac yet he plays him the entire 3rd quarter and they pull away. Why play Traylor over Varejao during that same stretch despite his ineffectiveness? Why play Harris over Sasha out of nowhere?
At this point in the season people should know their roles, but i've watched every game this year and I still can't pinpoint the rotation.
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03-16-2005, 07:34 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
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Agreed. I think towards the end of the first half, once McInnis returned to the game, the Bucks went on something the equivilent of a 6-0 run. It was strange why Snow was taken out at that moment but lightning struck fast once it happened.
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^^ yep that's exactly what I was referring to, really pissed me off cause I knew we were done after that.
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03-16-2005, 07:36 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
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At this point in the season people should know their roles, but i've watched every game this year and I still can't pinpoint the rotation.
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I would argue until those last 2 games, the Cavaliers had no consistent or effective rotation. This game was shades of the past, when nobody outside of Silas himself knew what was going on. If "favorites" like Traylor and Harris return to more playing time, everything is thrown out the window now.
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03-16-2005, 07:37 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
I'm really beginning to wonder if we will win another road game the rest of the season.
I don't think we have since the West Coast trip? That's pretty sad when you think about it.
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03-16-2005, 07:41 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
People may come in think we're blaming the coach because we lost but this is ridiculous. On every message board we say the same damn thing over and over again: Take out McInnis/Harris and play AV/Sasha. This has been consistent throughout the year.
Guess what Silas does exactly that and we get blowout wins. He does the opposite and not only do we lose we get whupped. Very baffling to me: I gave Silas credit for making the switches and now I'm taking it back. He is either stubborn, stupid, or both. I have feeling we're going to lose our first round series handedly - would Phil Jackson coach Cleveland?
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03-16-2005, 07:41 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
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I would argue until those last 2 games, the Cavaliers had no consistent or effective rotation. This game was shades of the past, when nobody outside of Silas himself knew what was going on. If "favorites" like Traylor and Harris return to more playing time, everything is thrown out the window now.
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I can't deal with anymore Traylor and Harris so let's pray tonight wasn't a preview of things to come. 
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03-16-2005, 07:47 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
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People may come in think we're blaming the coach because we lost but this is ridiculous. On every message board we say the same damn thing over and over again: Take out McInnis/Harris and play AV/Sasha. This has been consistent throughout the year.
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I follow the bolded part especially. I would expand it one player further though: take out McInnis/Harris/Traylor and play Snow/Pavlovic/AV.
I give the Bucks credit for the win. They desired it more, they deserved it.
But seeing Traylor out there like that with McInnis being blown away at will, was simply embarassing on some levels. I'm not proud to say that either but...
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03-16-2005, 07:53 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
I got no problems with the Bucks winning even if coached perfectly we still maybe would have lost as it was a back end of back to back on the road. But the way we lost there is no excuses. The poor substitution pattern clearly played a role in that. Nothing say that more then that run at the end of the 1st half (already mentionend) where we climb back from 18 down and then for no reason Snow sits. Boom back down again: again baffling
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03-16-2005, 07:55 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
Bucks are a lot better than people think.....tonight was not an abberation, they are a good team.
Tonight just showed that you guys were tired after a back to back, and we were well rested.
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03-16-2005, 07:55 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
^ yes it's painfully obvious that Snow is just a flat out better PG.
I think we could survive the Silas rotations if just that one change was made. Z would have less foul trouble, you wouldn't see the breakdowns on the perimeter, and James would have more fast break opportunities off defensive stops.
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03-16-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
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Bucks are a lot better than people think.....tonight was not an abberation, they are a good team.
Tonight just showed that you guys were tired after a back to back, and we were well rested.
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You guys played a great game and definitely deserved to win. Even if we were rested I doubt we would have won with Redd on fire like that.
Our complaints are more related to issues that have been going on for a long time, nothing against the Bucks 
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03-16-2005, 08:20 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
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^ yes it's painfully obvious that Snow is just a flat out better PG.
I think we could survive the Silas rotations if just that one change was made. Z would have less foul trouble, you wouldn't see the breakdowns on the perimeter, and James would have more fast break opportunities off defensive stops.
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James is amazing in the fact that he runs as much as he does. Considering McInnis is terrible at running the fastbreak, I wonder how many more transition points James would have with a better fastbreak passing guard.
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03-16-2005, 08:52 PM
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Re: Cleveland at Milwaukee (3/16/05)
The point spread was so beautiful for this game and the Cavs had to screw it up. Thanks for costing me 100 points! 
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03-16-2005, 10:38 PM
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