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**spongyfungy** · 04-26-2006, 08:44 AM

Source: Nash to be MVP Suns guard would be 10th player to win award in consecutive seasons

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 26, 2006 12:00 AM

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Suns star Steve Nash will be named the NBA's Most Valuable Player for a second straight season, according to a league source familiar with the voting.
USA TODAY was unable to confirm the report.

The announcement may not come for two weeks, like last season's May 8 ceremony. The votes have been tabulated in what was expected to be a close race with LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Chauncey Billups and Kobe Bryant.

Nash won the fourth-closest MVP vote last year, edging Shaquille O'Neal a year after Nash was not even an All-Star.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...6nash0426.html

**Pioneer10** · 04-26-2006, 09:47 AM

Steve Nash a consecutive MVP: the award has become a joke.

TucsonClip · 04-26-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioneer10

Steve Nash a consecutive MVP: the award has become a joke.

It doesnt have the meaning it did in the 80's and 90's, but you cant be mad at the voters for giving it to Nash again. 18.8 and 10.5 is amazing considering he didnt have his best player and was playing with 10 new players. He still led his team team to the 4th best record in the NBA and another divison title.

**Pioneer10** · 04-26-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TucsonClip

It doesnt have the meaning it did in the 80's and 90's, but you cant be mad at the voters for giving it to Nash again. 18.8 and 10.5 is amazing considering he didnt have his best player and was playing with 10 new players. He still led his team team to the 4th best record in the NBA and another divison title.

Yawn: his numbers pale in comparison to the other players. The freakin team he left has done better w/o him. How valuable is Dirk if Dallas has done better w/o Nash?

If he's so valuable how come the other top candidates have better +/- numbers. The other candidates also play WAY MORE minutes then Nash.

Nash winning consecutive MVP's is a joke

**RoyWilliams** · 04-26-2006, 10:09 AM

1. Stats were better then last season
2. He Lost 2 starting players in the Off Season
3. He Lost his post up presence man in Amare
4. The West Coast is alot harder the the Eastern Confernce
5. He managed 50+ wins
6. He generates the chemistry in that offense
7. 5 of his teammates are scoring in double Digits, two others with 9.5.

TucsonClip · 04-26-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioneer10

Yawn: his numbers pale in comparison to the other players. The freakin team he left has done better w/o him. How valuable is Dirk if Dallas has done better w/o Nash?

If he's so valuable how come the other top candidates have better +/- numbers. The other candidates also play WAY MORE minutes then Nash.

Nash winning consecutive MVP's is a joke

Comon now thats just stupid. How valuable is Nash to the Suns? If you are trying to say he isnt as valuable to the Suns as LeBron to the cavs or Dirk to the mavs you are crazy.

First of all Nash is a legit PG, not a SF playing PG, I dont see any other players in the NBA putting up 10.5 assists per game.

Minutes played are not going to play a huge factor in a MVP race, that is just stupid as well.

Morongk22 · 04-26-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TucsonClip

Comon now thats just stupid. How valuable is Nash to the Suns? If you are trying to say he isnt as valuable to the Suns as LeBron to the cavs or Dirk to the mavs you are crazy.

First of all Nash is a legit PG, not a SF playing PG, I dont see any other players in the NBA putting up 10.5 assists per game.

Minutes played are not going to play a huge factor in a MVP race, that is just stupid as well.

Do you think that if the Suns put a mid-tier PG in Nash's place that they wouldnt be in the same spot they are?

I do,Nash is a product of a system i bellieve the same way Billups is in Detroit, New England PAtriot players and Denver RBs are the same way. Nash is a good player who deserved the award last year, but know the voters have commited themselves to this guys. What happens if next year he goes for 20 and 16 and the Suns win 55-60 games, doesn't he "deserve" the award again?

**Benedict_Boozer** · 04-26-2006, 10:24 AM

Nash now has more MVP's than guys like Olajuwon and Shaq. Something is wrong with that.

**Pioneer10** · 04-26-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TucsonClip

Comon now thats just stupid. How valuable is Nash to the Suns? If you are trying to say he isnt as valuable to the Suns as LeBron to the cavs or Dirk to the mavs you are crazy.

First of all Nash is a legit PG, not a SF playing PG, I dont see any other players in the NBA putting up 10.5 assists per game.

Minutes played are not going to play a huge factor in a MVP race, that is just stupid as well.

Nash winning the MVP is a joke:
How do you determine when comparing the best of the best? You have several ways and Nash simply doesn't compare when you look into the fact that his 18/10 comes in a Phoenix offense which plays tons more possesions then any other team in the league. Also if you don't like stats w/o his amazing impact how come Dallas has done better w/o him. In fact his +/- is NOT that good and this where minutes is important as well. The Suns do NOT collapse w/o Nash on the floor and so that is why he plays far fewer minutes then any of the other top candidates.

The injury excuse is a joke as Dallas and Cleveland have been plagued with injuries as well.

Let's look and compare shall we:

Production			On Court/Off Court			Roland	Fair Salary
Player	Min	Own	Opp	Net	On	Off	Net	Rating	($Million)
Bryant	83%	30.0	14.1	+15.9	+4.8	-7.9	+12.7	+14.8	$ 27.39

James

85%

30.2

12.6

+17.6

+3.9

-7.2

+11.0

+15.3

$ 28.76

Nowitzki

78%

30.1

17.0

+13.1

+7.9

-0.6

+8.5

+11.6

$ 21.58

Nash

70%

24.6

15.3

+9.3

+8.1

-0.7

+8.8

+9.1

$ 16.45

Wade

73%

29.8

14.6

+15.2

+8.1

-7.7

+15.8

+15.4

$ 24.82

Oh and when was the last time the MVP (i.e. the best player in the league) gets DOMINATED not just outplayed BUT dominated by the other players at this postion:

Vs. Kidd

Field Goals

Rebounds

pos

min

fgm-a

3pm-a

ftm-a

off

def

tot

ast

pf

st

to

bs

pts

S.Nash

G

26:03

0-5

0-1

0-0

0

3

5

2

0

2

0

Vs. Billlups

	pos	min	fgm-a	3pm-a	ftm-a	off	def	tot	ast	pf	st	to	bs	pts
S.Nash	G	35:32	4-11	1-5	4-4	0	2	2	9	1	0	2	0	13

C.Billups

G

40:00

12-23

5-7

6-6

2

4

5

3

0

3

0

35

Not to mention he was outplayed by other notable such as PG's Shaun Livington, Charlie Bell, etc: his defense is TERRIBLE.

In the end you'd be crazy to pick Nash ahead of guys like Lebron and Kobe, so him winning the award when others are having HOF type season is a joke

TucsonClip · 04-26-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Morongk22

Do you think that if the Suns put a mid-tier PG in Nash's place that they wouldnt be in the same spot they are?

I do,Nash is a product of a system i bellieve the same way Billups is in Detroit, New England PAtriot players and Denver RBs are the same way. Nash is a good player who deserved the award last year, but know the voters have commited themselves to this guys. What happens if next year he goes for 20 and 16 and the Suns win 55-60 games, doesn't he deserve the award again?

Are you serious? Look at the Suns roster and tell me how Earl Watson, Hinrich, Ridnour, Brevin Knight, would be able to lead the Suns to 54 wins.

If nash was a product of the system, why cant Leandro Barbosa put up even 6 assist per game, why did Nash put up 17 and 8 in Dallas? How is Billups a product of the system, when Detriot wasnt even a good offensive team until Rasheed came to town.

To answer your question, yes he does deserve the award if he puts up 20 and 16 and winds 55+. He beat out LeBron and Kobe (who is putting up 35 ppg in a season for the 1st time since Jordan).

hendrix2430 · 04-26-2006, 10:29 AM

No surprises...

It's probably:

-Nash
-Lebron
-Dirk
-Kobe
-Chauncey

I think this was a close one...real close one...

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