[Pioneer10]

Originally Posted by Keep As Is

What I don't like is you not knowing that Kobe's played like this for a long time, but his teammates could never make the baskets. Kobe's been passing the ball around for quite some time not, but it's only this year that people have noticed it because his teammates are actually making the shots. We actually have a good team now, whereas before, Kobe was surrounded by the likes of Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Brian Cook, Maurice Evans, etc.

He didn't start "playing like LeBron" as much as you'd love to believe that.

Oh, and to stay on topic, LeBron's stats this season are awesome, and he's doing wonders for my fantasy team.

Maybe, maybe not: I certainly have seen more then a fair share of games like the Cavs game where Kobe decides to go mano o mano instead of playing team ball but whatever.

[Basel57]

Originally Posted by Pioneer10

Maybe, maybe not: I certainly have seen more then a fair share of games like the Cavs game where Kobe decides to go mano o mano instead of playing team ball but whatever.

Right, he has gone one-on-one many times, but again, you have to factor in who his teammates were and why he was doing it. This season, he's only done it a couple of times (one being the Cavs game), but that doesn't mean that he's not consistently playing team ball.

[futuristxen]

Originally Posted by Keep As Is

What I don't like is you not knowing that Kobe's played like this for a long time, but his teammates could never make the baskets. Kobe's been passing the ball around for quite some time not, but it's only this year that people have noticed it because his teammates are actually making the shots. We actually have a good team now, whereas before, Kobe was surrounded by the likes of Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Brian Cook, Maurice Evans, etc.

I'd take Mo Evans and Smush parker over Eric Snow and Ira Newble any day. I just don't find the maturation of Kobe's game all that impressive. He played with Hall of Famers and was still gunning for himself on too many nights. I contend he single-handedly lost the Lakers a championship against Detroit, because of his stubborn refusal to use Shaq better.

Kobe is an amazing scorer. But I think even at his most teammate friendly, he pails in comparison to Lebron. I don't know that there's a superstar out there that has been pro-team to as much of a detriment as Lebron.

The Cavs lost the first two games to Detroit last year BECAUSE he trusted his teammates even on the final shot.

Both guys are obviously just trying to win games. But I think Lebron is underrated when he's compared to Kobe very often.

[Basel57]

Originally Posted by futuristxen

I'd take Mo Evans and Smush parker over Eric Snow and Ira Newble any day. I just don't find the maturation of Kobe's game all that impressive. He played with Hall of Famers and was still gunning for himself on too many nights. I contend he single-handedly lost the Lakers a championship against Detroit, because of his stubborn refusal to use Shaq better.

Kobe is an amazing scorer. But I think even at his most teammate friendly, he pails in comparison to Lebron. I don't know that there's a superstar out there that has been pro-team to as much of a detriment as Lebron.

The Cavs lost the first two games to Detroit last year BECAUSE he trusted his teammates even on the final shot.

Both guys are obviously just trying to win games. But I think Lebron is underrated when he's compared to Kobe very often.

I can give you Mo Evans, but the fact that you just said you would actually take Smush Parker over anybody else in the NBA is mind-boggling. I don't think you've seen him play. And he didn't single-handedly lose the championship in 2004. The main reason we lost that game was because of Malone's injury, and the fact that he missed some games during the Finals. But to each his/her own.

I also don't think that Kobe at his "most teammate friendly" pails in comparison to LeBron, but again, to each his/her own.

And it's funny that you think LeBron is underrated when he's compared to Kobe, because I feel the exact opposite as of late. But whatever, they're both great players, and I'm just glad I have a chance to watch them play.

I guess we can just agree to disagree.