Mongolmike

I really don't agree with you at all. Since Wags first season, I just have not seen the potential for him to be anything more than an important piece. He is a small SG, with decent but not great quicks. He has solid range on his jumper. He does not draw a lot of fouls because he'll do his little pull-up jumper. He won't ever average more than 4 assists a game, since he doesn't pass, and he won't average more than 2-3 rbs a game, since he is too small. He is easy to defend, that has been shown last year, with no change this year.

I'm not even gonna go into LeBron's potential.... but if you think Wagner is more of a cornerstone, building block than James...????? I think you gotta step away from Wagner's 100 pt HS game tape and look at the reality of his NBA situation. Wagner could be a valuable piece for this team... mostly coming off the bench for instant offense. I hope he can provide more, but I don't see that being the case.

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Boxscore

Cavs - 97
James: 24 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists
Ilgauskas: 19 points, 16 rebounds

Celtics - 87

Pierce: 32 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists
Blount: 13 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists

The Cavaliers regain the lead and hold on to win a victory. The announcers were right in saying Cleveland could have really stuck it to Boston in the beginning of the 2nd quarter, failed to do so and had a back and forth battle from then on.

remy23

I love Wagner but I think shazha might have gone a little too far in his post.

I don't think Wagner is easy to defend. I know it's half way into the season but his jump shot is more consistent. If he can become more of a regular shooter than a streak shooter, defenders would have to respect his jumper more, which would open the drive up even more. But you have to ask yourself, "What can a man do in 10 minutes of action?"

Last game out he only had 13 minutes against the Wizards and produced 10 points. Tonight, in only 10 minutes Wagner had 8 points. I love the idea of instant offense, yet if Wagner continues to get such little playing time, he will probably continue jacking up shots in fear of being taken out and never getting back off the bench. With more playing time, he'd probably relax more and play a more well-rounded game.

And we agree about James. He is the team. He's the piece to build around. But let's hope Wagner can stay around too and contribute to that goal.

tpb2

Silas needs a way to involve LeBron's passing. We aren't even using it. Maybe this is part of the next stage. Perhaps, LeBron can play some point foward more often.

"LeBron James is slow"
whatever, SLAM

"LeBron James is not a good dunker" -
another SLAM
(has LeBron retired the tomahawk?)

I think LeBron should only take threes (for right now) when he can sit and look over the ball. If he stops shooting so many threes, his FG% is way up.

I hope Mcginnis is not in the long term plan.

Z is getting MUCH better on the defensive end, he needs to be more consistent game to game though.

I think we may need to re-sign Eric Williams


I love how Davis actully admitted the crowd got to him. Sure he's sorry, he's sorry for being on the Celtics, what a punk.


Moondawg beats Paul Pierce, it just wasnt their night.

TyGuy

Slam was dissing bron after he wrote for them for about a year in the monthly journal? They also use to praisehim, man they are looking stupid.

tpb2

the quotes were some people I was arguing with

SLAM meant his slam dunks on the break tonight. One he blew by the entire team out of a crowd and the other was a one-footed windmil

futuristxen

How about Lebron's dunks tonight...wowza.

Hope that calf muscle isn't going to keep him out of the rookie game on friday. That would be a major letdown.

But at the same time. I hope he doesn't make it worse by playing in that game.

I'm torn.

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tpb2

LeBron needs to learn to consistently dunk on people (like he did vs. Odom, Ostertag, Dunleavy with the left!). But I dont blame him now for all the crappy charges he gets called for.

LeBron can really push people around in the post. However, he needs to learn some more moves.


I think that saying that LeBron's strength will limit his ceiling is bad logic. I see so many times where more experience could help him much more. Plus, LeBron doesnt consistently use his strength to gain contact. Does anyone else see this? Then why would people argue that he's close to his limit?

tpb2

Trade LeBron?

Wagner is our future?

How about we trade Wagner/Z/Ollie for JWill/Gasol?

futuristxen

case in point. First play of the game Lebron was above the rim and should have dunked it, and instead hit the bank iron trying to lay it up.

He's like a good foot or two above the rim with the ball he needs to finish those plays strong. He also had a play where I thought he was going to throw down a two handed reverse dunk, but he got pushed in midair and got no whistle.

He needs experience on how to use his body(he hasn't been this strong for that long) and he needs the refs to start giving him the calls a Paul Pierce gets.

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Mongolmike

The difference is, you say IF he developed a more consistent jumper.... in that, I totally agree. That is why I think he isn't that tough to defend. Being short (for a 2 guard) doesn't help either, and he isn't that great at breaking down a guy outside to get space for his jumper. He can occasionally take a guy to the hole, but he only gets open looks from the outside when he is poaching.... we had Jumaine Jones who did the same thing, but better.

Now I'm not saying Jumaine is better than Wags, he's not... I just don't see DaJaun ever (yes, I say ever) being the main cog for any team.... including and especially the Cavs with LeBron. Off the bench like Vinnie Johnson - yes. Down the stretch when we need a 3 pt gunner - yes. Occasionally lighting things up one night, and getting minimum minutes the next because of defensive liabilities - yes.

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tpb2

During his sophomore year, I went to his games, and we used to say "he needs to get some muscle".

LeBron has been working out at a local fitness complex that trains players to exercise in areas that will SPECIFICALLY help their game. Some people think everything just appeared.

Watching a small freshman LeBron was so much different. He wasn't that tall, like 6'4'' or so. It is pretty weird thinking back on it. He still led the team to a state championship.

remy23

When Wags is covered man-to-man, he does well. I've noticed people collapse on Juanny. Even Silas said in one-on-one drills, Wagner was the hardest person to guard all by yourself. His shooting percentages are already better than last years and they should continue to get better. Right now, Wags is probably like a shorter, better driving JJ. But I notice Wags is scouted heavily. They tell teams to help once he puts the ball on the floor. Teams make him go left and even put special defenses in to stop his progress. I think the league learned last year, after those strings of 20 point games, not to let him run wild.

tpb2

James, what are you waiting for???

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