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Joe_Canada · 11-29-2002, 08:18 PM

Yes, because 11-26 is so awful and Cleveland has so many other big scorers that should get the ball(sarcasm). The kid can fill it up like Iverson, I still think hes a great pick and the best rookie this year. The only other guy i see close is Gooden. He has nowhere to go but up and can already score in bunches on the pro level.

**Chops** · 11-29-2002, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Joe_Canada!
Yes, because 11-26 is so awful and Cleveland has so many other big scorers that should get the ball(sarcasm). The kid can fill it up like Iverson, I still think hes a great pick and the best rookie this year. The only other guy i see close is Gooden. He has nowhere to go but up and can already score in bunches on the pro level.

They have Ilgauskus, Ricky Davis, etc.

I don't care how many scorers you have on your team. 11-26 is bad shooting.

spartanfan2003 · 11-29-2002, 08:22 PM

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are you kidding? Jay was the best player in college for 2 years. That is why he is considered a potential star. Not because he went from 8 to 10 points per game.

Although I agree on what you have said so far KC, I don't think this last statement you made was true. Even before I knew Gooden would be a Grizz, I thought he should have been the player of the year over Jay Williams. Now I can accept the fact that he was technically the "best" player last year, but two years in a row?

Are you saying that he was better than Shane Battier? are you saying that he was better than Richardson and Loren Woods, not to mention Haywood and Forte along with Wright and Jefferson down in Az.

**Chops** · 11-29-2002, 08:26 PM

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Although I agree on what you have said so far KC, I don't think this last statement you made was true. Even before I knew Gooden would be a Grizz, I thought he should have been the player of the year over Jay Williams. Now I can accept the fact that he was technically the "best" player last year, but two years in a row?

Are you saying that he was better than Shane Battier? are you saying that he was better than Richardson and Loren Woods, not to mention Haywood and Forte along with Wright and Jefferson down in Az.

Yes, check the numbers. Jay has been the best and most highly touted college player over the last 2 years. He is the only college player that could have gone top 2 the last 2 years. He is seen as a potential star based on what he did in college, not the fact that he raised his scoring average by 2ppg.

Wright, Woods, Forte, Haywood, Jefferson? C'mon, none of these guys were even close.

spartanfan2003 · 11-29-2002, 08:41 PM

Bradley, haston, hunter, murphy, tinsley, trepagnier, watson, and morris were all also better.

**remy23** · 11-29-2002, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by KC!
I don't care how many scorers you have on your team. 11-26 is bad shooting.

No offense but from the way you are talking, I am certain you did not watch the game live. There is truth to the game beyond the stats. Boozer and Wagner were responsible for the Cavs coming back from the grave, to nearly snatch the game. A few of the shots he missed were freebies, ones even Wagner was disappointed with. Numerically, mathematically, you can take your stabs. But if you watched the game, you can't criticize Dajuan for anything. He was their savior (along with Boozer) tonight.

shazha · 11-29-2002, 09:00 PM

guys u cant compare wags and Jay they have totally differen't games its like saying whos better ben wallace or abdur rahim... rahims a great offensive threat and wallace is a defensive presence...

wags will be a star... it doesn't really matter that he shot 40% its about hitting the big shots... and this guy has the guts to take those shots... and make em... let wags play with miles they will get better once they have a chance... wags has always been my 1 one pick and i'd still pick him over the rest of the draft... Jays game is totally differen't hes more of a floor general who can score when needed like a bibby type player with better rebounding and defense...

cavs playoffs next year 8th seed... im callin it now... laugh all u want.... i really think wagner is a winner .... real deal for sure

**Chops** · 11-29-2002, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by Spartanfan2003!
Bradley, haston, hunter, murphy, tinsley, trepagnier, watson, and morris were all also better.

You have got to be kidding. Check the numbers.

**Chops** · 11-29-2002, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by remy23!

No offense but from the way you are talking, I am certain you did not watch the game live. There is truth to the game beyond the stats. Boozer and Wagner were responsible for the Cavs coming back from the grave, to nearly snatch the game. A few of the shots he missed were freebies, ones even Wagner was disappointed with. Numerically, mathematically, you can take your stabs. But if you watched the game, you can't criticize Dajuan for anything. He was their savior (along with Boozer) tonight.

The savior? And they lost. Anyways, I didn't watch the game, but 11-26 isn't good shooting. That is my opinion.

spartanfan2003 · 11-29-2002, 09:08 PM

Wagner must feel proud of himself, he made a game close with a mediocre team. SO WHAT!??!?!? Gooden almost single handedly took the Lakers to OT and barely lost.

**remy23** · 11-29-2002, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by KC!
The savior? And they lost. Anyways, I didn't watch the game, but 11-26 isn't good shooting. That is my opinion.

Yes savior. The Cavs were down 91-73 with 9:18 left in the 4th quarter. I am not sure on the exact stat but Wagner had something like 11 of his 29 in the 4th, saving the best for last in that impressive comeback. Like I said earlier, you have to look at more than stats before you say a person did not have a good game. But if you are so mathematical, that is about 42.3% from the field, which is not good, but not bad either, like you claim. Some players in the league don't even shot that percentage for the year.

**Chops** · 11-29-2002, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by remy23!

Yes savior. The Cavs were down 91-73 with 9:18 left in the 4th quarter. I am not sure on the exact stat but Wagner had something like 11 of his 29 in the 4th, saving the best for last in that impressive comeback. Like I said earlier, you have to look at more than stats before you say a person did not have a good game. But if you are so mathematical, that is about 42.3% from the field, which is not good, but not bad either, like you claim. Some players in the league don't even shot that percentage for the year.

I didn't say he played a bad game. I said he shot poorly. There is a difference. 42% isn't very good.

**remy23** · 11-29-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by KC!
I didn't say he played a bad game. I said he shot poorly. There is a difference. 42% isn't very good.

42% is not bad. You said it was bad above and I disagree. That is fairly standard, regular shooting. If you think 42% is bad, I guess you're one of those guys who get only impressed with 50% and up. So in conclusion, I still disagree with your claim.

**remy23** · 11-29-2002, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Spartanfan2003!
Wagner must feel proud of himself, he made a game close with a mediocre team. SO WHAT!??!?!? Gooden almost single handedly took the Lakers to OT and barely lost.

Wagner plays a good game and you try to discredit it by comparing him to Gooden? The two games aren't even related. The way I see it, both Dajuan and Drew had good games. So if Gooden has a good game, should I say later (if Dajuan has a good game again), "So what, Dajuan did this versus Iverson, a hot team in the East." Of course not. Give both men their props.

**Chops** · 11-29-2002, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by remy23!

42% is not bad. You said it was bad above and I disagree. That is fairly standard, regular shooting. If you think 42% is bad, I guess you're one of those guys who get only impressed with 50% and up. So in conclusion, I still disagree with your claim.

I think 44-47% is good. Anything lower than that is bad. However, it is possible to shoot poorly and still play a good game. I agree with that.

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