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Old 08-12-2012, 10:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mack Brown and the Wrong Lessons

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Mack Brown has seen SEC teams win the national title with game manager QBs and has brought in an entire staff, and given them explicit orders, to develop an offense that does not require the brilliance of Vince Young or the passing skills of Colt McCoy. He essentially wants Texas to do what Alabama does because it is obviously working. Mack Brown has learned the wrong lesson from this era of SEC dominance.

First, what are the right lessons? Without a doubt, SEC dominance, in my opinion, is built on elite defensive line talent. The kind of big AND fast guys who are also great football players who can rush the QB and defend the run like NFL players. Not everyone on the line has to be elite at everything, you can have specialists for down and distance, but for the most part, across the line, this is what the elite SEC teams have been built on. The reason why this is so successful is that running teams can't run on them, and passing teams don't have the time for their plays to develop before the pass rush is on top of the QB. In this case it seems like Mack is probably right because he's attempting to do this at Texas and it seems like the defensive line is beastly.

But what of the offenses? It's absolutely true that Alabama and LSU have been winning with shitty QBs, but look at the whole history of this SEC run. 2010: Cam Newton, 2008: Tim Tebow. These aren't game managers. There is room for great QB play anywhere, and handicapping yourself by running a game manager offense and not developing QBs just makes it needlessly tough. Against great scoring offenses and QBs, the other team will also score more points because they have to throw the ball more to keep up, however if you have recruited your elite defensive line (and secondary), this will be a non-issue. Only another top QB will be able to keep up with you through the air.

This is also failed reasoning because of what Texas is. The state is on the forefront of great passing and just overall QBs. Mack is basically denying himself the greatest natural resource he has. The University of Texas can recruit elite spread QBs and WRs easier than any team in the country with the possible exception of Southern Cal. Having a high powered offense should be easy. Hell, Texas had 6 straight years of brilliant QB play. But why this really matters is because Texas is not playing an SEC schedule where perhaps having the best lines can grind out 11-1 and a national title birth. Texas plays in the Big 12 where you have to be 12-0 or a very convincing 11-1, and against a bunch of dynamite offenses. Texas NEEDS its defense to shut down Weeden, RGIII, Jones, etc every game without mistake, because by design the offense will be incapable of coming close to matching those teams point for point. In a one game off, sure Texas has the advantage, but over the course of a season there will be a few losses.

Mack thinks he's learning lessons here, but the real lessons he should be learning is that when you have someone like Cam Newton or Tim Tebow, you can steamroll the best conference in the country even if the rest of the team isn't going to be a first round draft pick. If anything, Texas should start opening up its recruitment nationally for the best dual threat QB it can find, and at the very least bring in the best passer from Texas every year. But instead of that, Mack is trying to emulate imperfect teams leaving himself no margin for error. It's the desperation of a man who does not want to be forced out, but unfortunately it seems all but likely that this poor analysis of how to win a National Title today will be his downfall.
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mack wants to actually have a system in place that isn't entirely dependent on a single star player to function. he doesn't want a game manager at qb, but he wants to be able to function with one if necessary. the way the team worked with vince and colt, way too much was on their shoulders for too many years.

and yeah, you're still wrong about the big 12. a one loss team from the big 12 is going to the title game over a one loss team from any conference other than the sec (with the lone exception being usc).
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1 loss Big Ten team goes over a 1 loss Big 12.
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The underlying problem at Texas over the past few years has been that a lot of their blue chippers didn't pan out. Mack's recruiting classes always rival or even top any in the SEC most years, it's not a talent issue. That's on their scouting for missing on some guys.

In particular, they had a lot of busts at WR and RB. However, I think Mike Davis and Jaxon Shipley are nice duo at WR. With Malcolm Brown and Joe Bergeron having established themselves are solid runners, in addition to blue chipper Johnathan Gray at RB, the running game should be at a level it hasn't seen since the national title season. The article seems like it's just Mack trying to inspire confidence in the team and fanbase, since QB is still a huge question. Ash was inconsistent last year, and he's been hobbled with a hamstring injury in camp. Case McCoy doesn't have a BCS arm, and every pass looks like it's going to be picked off.

They should be in the running for the Big 12 title, but NT contention is at least a year away unless Ash turns out to be a superstar.
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They should be in the running for the Big 12 title, but NT contention is at least a year away unless Ash turns out to be a superstar.
He doesn't even need to be a superstar.

If they had James Franklin (Texas HS) instead of Ash, they would probably be NC favorites and he's only like the 5th best QB in the SEC.
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The underlying problem at Texas over the past few years has been that a lot of their blue chippers didn't pan out. Mack's recruiting classes always rival or even top any in the SEC most years, it's not a talent issue. That's on their scouting for missing on some guys.

In particular, they had a lot of busts at WR and RB. However, I think Mike Davis and Jaxon Shipley are nice duo at WR. With Malcolm Brown and Joe Bergeron having established themselves are solid runners, in addition to blue chipper Johnathan Gray at RB, the running game should be at a level it hasn't seen since the national title season. The article seems like it's just Mack trying to inspire confidence in the team and fanbase, since QB is still a huge question. Ash was inconsistent last year, and he's been hobbled with a hamstring injury in camp. Case McCoy doesn't have a BCS arm, and every pass looks like it's going to be picked off.

They should be in the running for the Big 12 title, but NT contention is at least a year away unless Ash turns out to be a superstar.
one of the biggest problems texas has at qb, is that people don't stick around to be the backup. when vince was here, we had chance mock but once it was clear that he got passed up, he transferred out. with colt it was jevan snead who left and then gj kinne did the same thing. when gilbert didn't pan out, there wasn't anyone around with any experience and even then the guy who lost out on the job (connor wood) was gone as soon as possible and case would have left if there were any takers.

the recruiting problems texas had were basically all on offense. it was greg davis and basically every offensive coach but applewhite being lazy and bad at their jobs. having entire classes that only include one or two offensive lineman and never having enough lineman to be able to redshirt incoming guys is something that just shouldn't ever be happening. combine that with skill position misses and no backup qbs sticking around and that team is going to fall apart as soon as there isn't a super star at qb.
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Is Mack Brown promising all these guys playing time or something? Guys don't transfer out of USC like that. The coach goes on the recruiting trail and says "you only have the right to compete here". If guys accept that then transferring doesn't make any sense so early.
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Is Mack Brown promising all these guys playing time or something? Guys don't transfer out of USC like that. The coach goes on the recruiting trail and says "you only have the right to compete here". If guys accept that then transferring doesn't make any sense so early.
really doubt he's promising guys much though really that could have been an issue with gilbert. he'd been basically anointed as the guy since he committed so that could have been an issue with kinne transferring.
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The underlying problem at Texas over the past few years has been that a lot of their blue chippers didn't pan out. Mack's recruiting classes always rival or even top any in the SEC most years, it's not a talent issue. That's on their scouting for missing on some guys.
By the way, if you think that is bad look at Florida State.

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So this year has proven my point. David Ash, in my estimation, is having a good enough season to go 11-1 at Alabama, LSU, or Florida. 70% completion, 17 TDs, 5 INTs. This ain't the SEC and there are actually offenses that you have to stop (exceptionally difficult) or keep up with (impossible with a game manager) every week in the Big 12. Even throwing out the Oklahoma game Texas was essentially in 50/50 shootouts with West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and Baylor. They won 2/3, but 2/3 doesn't cut it when you're trying to win a national title. This ain't cutting it, and Texas needs to sell out everything for an elite talent at QB because THAT is the key, not a game manager.

It looks like Tyrone Swoopes has a chance to be that guy. But is he going to be forced into a no risk/no reward offense? Or perhaps he was offered too early and he isn't as elite as he seems (another long standing Texas problem); his high school team is terrible this year which is concerning for such a highly regarded prospect at such a small school.
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this year hasn't proven your point at all. the problem with texas this year isn't that there are a bunch of good offenses (obviously there are), but that texas has been playing absolutely awful defense. you could see this against teams like wyoming and ole miss, though the problem was even worse when a really good offense was put into the picture.

and it's not like texas is going out there with some no risk/no reward offense as you called it. sure the play calling is maybe 55/45 in favor of the run, but texas is taking plenty of shots down field.

not sure how you call losing a game 48-45 a problem with the game manager qb when he threw for just as many yards as the then heisman candidate. that game was lost on giving up a career day to an average running back because the defensive coordinator had no faith in his young linebackers and gave up untouched 15+ yard gains selling out to get -2s to hopefully stall out a drive. and the 5 out of 5 on 4th down. and we can all see how that worked out.

we'll see with swoopes. he's raw but athletic. he won't be asked to do anything his first two years on campus so that always helps. texas also has connor brewer redshirting right now and the guy who is considered to be the top 2014 in texas at the moment has committed already as well. we'll be fine at qb for the foreseeable future as long as guys don't leave.
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Sure you can blame the defense. Alabama probably has a lot of fingers pointing at their defense about Manziel too.
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Sure you can blame the defense. Alabama probably has a lot of fingers pointing at their defense about Manziel too.
a&m scored 2 tds less than their season average and alabama had every opportunity to win that game.

texas has just been awful on d most of the year. we give up 30 points per game and let the good offenses score above their season averages. the struggles texas has had this year have absolutely nothing to do with mack brown not wanting to rely on a single player for offense.
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Would you be 10-0 if you had Manziel at QB? I say... at least 9-1
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Would you be 10-0 if you had Manziel at QB? I say... at least 9-1
no. texas would have still shit the bed against ou and while bergeron may not have gotten a chance to get his 4 tds runs for a total of 9 yards were manziel at qb, i doubt he would have had any impact on the outcome of the game unless he could stop the opposing running back from getting over 200 yards.

i mean, sure, it's possible. but the problem for texas this season has been the defense not doing anything close to what they are supposed to be doing.
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