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Old 11-27-2012, 04:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Gruden's unquestionably a better coach than Saban and Miles. You can't say that for Weis. It's going to be about patience and fit more than anything. He's a QB coach by nature and he'll be able to develop a QB better than Bill O'Brien can.
At the NFL level? Yeah, absolutely, so is Weis. You're still bringing up Weis when I was making that connection purely because both (him and Gruden) are much better suited for the NFL level. Gruden wouldn't be as bad as Weis at the college level, but I don't see him as elite either.

At the college level though? He might similar to Les, but he probably needs similar resources to achieve anywhere near the success Les has over the past 5-6 years. Saban though? Get outta here, I know you don't believe that. Saban sucked in the NFL, but he is the best college coach we have seen in a long time.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
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One problem I have with Gruden in college is the way he refers to the spread during MNF broadcasts, but I do think he could put together an A+ staff with his eyes closed.
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Sorry, Saban was mediocre at Michigan State. The only reason those guys are elite at the college level is because the top coaching talent goes to the NFL where the money is. Carroll is middle of the pack in the NFL, but he was a god in NCAA (and better than Saban just FYI). (E: Carroll actually went 48 straight games without losing in regulation).

You don't have to run the spread in college to be successful on offense either. Look at Wisconsin (2010 and 2011) or Alabama and Carroll's USC for that matter.
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I hope Gruden replaces Andy Reid in Philly and stays out of college.

Not happy to see Stoops leaving, but everyone knew he wouldn't be back. Best of luck to him at Kentucky, he's going to need it.
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Gruden turned down Tennessee. No surprise. Les gets a raise at LSU.
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People are still questioning Saban's legacy and ability as a coach? The guy's won 3 national championships at 2 programs, and LSU won in 2007 with a lot of guys that he recruited.

As far as his tenure with the Dolphins goes, a lot of college coaches don't succeed in the NFL because they don't have the same level of control. Great college coaches succeeding in the NFL is more of the exception than the rule.

Jon Gruden just seems happy to be in the booth. He has a chance to be this generation's John Madden, and I wonder if it's something he covets. I think he'd be an outstanding college coach though, and I actually believe his coaching style and demeanor suits the college game more than the pros. Whatever school he went to would be an NFL-factory one way or another.
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Sorry, Saban was mediocre at Michigan State. The only reason those guys are elite at the college level is because the top coaching talent goes to the NFL where the money is. Carroll is middle of the pack in the NFL, but he was a god in NCAA (and better than Saban just FYI). (E: Carroll actually went 48 straight games without losing in regulation).

You don't have to run the spread in college to be successful on offense either. Look at Wisconsin (2010 and 2011) or Alabama and Carroll's USC for that matter.
Saban was mediocre at MSU cuz it's MSU.

Carroll would only have done that in the PAC10 and it was really watered down then.
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I'm questioning Saban as a coach when you compare him to the NFL, yes. He's one of the best college coaches of the last 25 years obviously, but the top coaches have always been in the NFL because of the money.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:21 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Jim Mora is really proving my point. I think a lot of the abject failures of NFL-to-college guys are usually failures in the NFL, or coordinators. The good coaches never leave, but there's definitely a niche there for the mediocre ones like Carroll and Mora to be elite in college or bounce from job to job in the NFL. I always thought Mora was a good coach at Atlanta that was handicapped by Vick being the QB. He didn't have immediate success in Seattle and was fired after one year, but he took over a 4-12 team and made some improvement and kind of got screwed by a GM change.
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Yeah, that's a shit job. I'm really surprised he didn't go to Notre Dame 3 years ago though. That cupboard was full.
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He wants an NFL job if he returns. But he seems content at ESPN unless right job just hasn't opened up for him.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:15 PM   #28 (permalink)
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It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't get back into coaching as long as there's a big check in broadcasting. The work load is completely different.
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Looks like Vol coaching search now down to five names: Jimbo, Gundy, Strong, Golden, Fedora.
From a Tennessee blogger, but think I'd rather have Gundy than Jimbo.
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Someone on the Mainboard was saying Fedora to Tennessee was a legit possibility. Don't know how I like that fit, but can they do better than that?
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