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Old 03-27-2012, 03:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Roy Williams Isn't Very Good

He has coached at 2 of the 6 elite schools and that's it. Never proved himself when the onus was on coaching instead of merely accepting elite recruits and rolling out basketballs. He recruits well, but is not a good coach and never has been. He runs a system that maximizes his talent advantage (more possessions means more time for true ability to regress to the mean), but has shown very little else. I would even say he doesn't help guys get to the NBA that well considering how many McD's All Americans he's had flame out. And now this

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I asked Williams what impact the triangle-and-two had on his team. His answer was stunning.

“I know they did for one possession, and they may have for another possession,” Williams said. “I’m not sure about that.”

Williams clearly was unsure because from press row it looked like the Jayhawks played the triangle-and-two for nearly half of the final 20 minutes. The Jayhawks confirmed that they played the combo defense for the final eight or nine minutes.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Roy Williams Isn't Very Good

And this is newsworthy? I assumed that everyone knew this. I can't even get Carolina fans to argue the point any more.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Roy Williams Isn't Very Good

I've been saying it for years and very few others will admit it. Especially HB.
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Re: Roy Williams Isn't Very Good

eh at one point I got a soberminded UNC grad to admit that he was no better than the fifth best coach in the state. That was when Sendek was at State, McKillop was at Davidson and Coach K at Duke. Think the other was Prosser he copped to, but all of those guys are easily better than Roy.
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Re: Roy Williams Isn't Very Good

He's really outdoing himself this year. Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
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He's really outdoing himself this year. Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
I'm still mad at Wisconsin for Brad Soderberg.
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I'm still mad at Wisconsin for Brad Soderberg.
There is a reason he was only an interim after Dick Bennett quit 3 games into the 00/01 season.
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Nim, Tom Izzo is still the best coach in the Big Ten.
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Re: Roy Williams Isn't Very Good

I think they are very close. Izzo gets much better talent and not coincidentally finds himself in the Final Four. There are plenty of exceptions to the rule, but generally it takes top level talent to make the Final Four. There have been only 2 teams that I thought were genuine contenders for Bo Ryan. The 2007 team that lost to UNLV in the second round when Alando Tucker was a First Team All American (although you can argue that their fate was sealed when Butch broke his arm at Ohio State late in the year) and the 2008 team (IMO, his best team by far) that lost to stupid ****ing Davidson. If Devin Harris returned for his senior year, then the 2005 team (that actually got to the Elite 8) would also qualify. Izzo has had a LOT of teams that were good enough to make a big run like that.

With that said, Bo is the winningest coach in Big Ten history, and he's done it at Wisconsin. Not Indiana, not Michigan, not Ohio State, not Michigan State. Wisconsin. And just for the record, Bo is 13-9 against Izzo.
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Re: Roy Williams Isn't Very Good

Well, yeah, but Izzo isn't exactly known as a top recruiter either. Not compared to other perennial powerhouses in college basketball anyway. And I think Ryan should be able to do better in that department, I mean Wisconsin isn't North Dakota State.
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Everyone underestimates 1) the style of play and 2) the geography. Wisconsin isn't recruiting nationally, and lots of guys won't even think about Wisconsin. Not to mention that Bo only takes guys that fit his system. The geography is tough even without Marquette right there in Milwaukee. Kids out of Chicago look to Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State before Wisconsin comes into play at all. Michigan is close in distance, but it's a long ass drive around that lake for families. Wisconsin mostly recruits Wisconsin and Minnesota, and they compete with Buzz Williams and Tubby Smith. The kids we get out of Illinois and other Midwest states are mostly kids that aren't getting recruited by the other schools I mentioned.

Bo's recruiting has fallen off too, just FYI. He got really lucky with the emergence of Sam Dekker, but just compare the talent on this team up and down with the 2008 team: Marcus Landry, Brian Butch, Greg Steimsma, John Leuer, Trevon Hughes, Joe Krabbenhoft. Not even close.
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