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06-27-2005, 01:38 AM
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Two Finley articles
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Originally Posted by DallasBasketball
So what's with all the talk about Michael Finley being waived by the Mavericks? What are the rules and how do they apply to this situation? Does it really make sense? Here we present what we believe is an exhaustive look at the situation:
The idea has exploded into the Dallas sports landscape with a frenzy since Friday's speculative article in the Dallas Morning News saying Finley 'may be let go' by the Mavericks because of an obscure new rule being added to the NBA's new Collective bargaining Agreement (CBA). Here we take on all the issues for you - we review the rule itself, what it means, how it would apply in this (or any case), and analyze the idea of Finley being let go, while we try to clear up inaccurate information and false misconceptions that have arisen.
This article is offered with a nod of credit to many knowledgeable internet debaters, whose points and questions I used in a desire to cover all the bases. An article like this doesn't lend itself to footnotes, so if you see something you think you wrote, you probably did, and I included it to try to offer something more exhaustive. I don't have all the answers - but there are many smart people out there who make incredible observations, and I applaud you. This is in many ways a collection of those ideas, in hopefully an organized form.
THE ONE-TIME WAIVER RULE
The new rule states that each team will be given a one-time opportunity to waive one player and exempt the team from any potential future luxury tax obligations on that player's contract.
When will this opportunity begin? A team will be able to designate such a player beginning July 22.
When will this opportunity end? Beginning of the regular season.
Can a team opt to wait and use this rule in a future year? No.
What does it mean to waive a player? "Waiving a player" is the same thing as getting rid of a player who still has a contract, cutting a player, releasing a player, and so on.
If they have a contract, what happens to the contract when he is waived? If he has a guaranteed contract (which is true in 99% of the cases), you have to pay him in full anyhow even if you waive him, but he is then allowed to sign a new contract with another team for whatever he can get and play for them.
How does waiving a player differ from a buyout? A buyout is a negotiation with a player who has a guaranteed contract, to see if they will accept less money or a longer payout if the team waives them. Waiver and buyout are usually part of the same process.
Can a team try to buy out a player at a reduced amount, in using this rule? Yes.
Why would a player accept a reduced amount? Once they are waived, they will have the opportunity to make additional money elsewhere, so sometimes they are open to the idea and willing to offer a discount.
Does a player have to accept a buyout? No. If they refuse, the team would have to choose between waiving the player and paying them in full, or keeping the player.
How does a retirement (like Bradley's) differ from a waiver? It doesnt. It is merely a different description for the same process, except in a retirement the player has decided he prefers not to play (or is physically incapable of playing) for another team after being waived.
What if a team wants to apply the rule to a player already waived prior to July 22? The rule may be applied to any player waived by the team in which there are future salary obligations, regardless of when they were waived. A team like Toronto may elect to apply the rule to a player like Mourning whom they waived during the past season.
How many players may a team apply the rule to? One.
Is a team required to waive and designate a player? No, and many wont.
If a player is waived and designated under this rule, does the team still have to pay them in full? Yes, they must be paid in full per their contract (or under the terms of any negotiated buyout between the team and the player). If a player is waived and designated under this rule, is there any special reduction to their salary (or buyout) on the team's salary cap? No.
Does using this rule lower a teams cap total where they gain extra flexibility to sign additional players? No.
If the team negotiates a buyout of the contract, how is the team charged on the cap? Like any other buyout of a player contract, the total dollars paid under the buyout will be added together and then prorated in the same manner and over the same terms as the original contract term, regardless of how the buyout is paid. Therefore, if a player's original contract still had 3 years remaining and paid him annual salaries of $1M in year 1, $2M in year 2, and $3M in year 3, 1/6 of the total buyout would be charged to the team's cap in year 1, 2/6 in year 2, etc, even if the buyout was being paid over a different period and in different proportions.
Can the team re-sign the player it waives under this rule? No, such players will be prohibited from re-signing with the team until the ending date of that contract.
If the team still has to pay the player, and the payment still counts on the salary cap, what benefit is there in this rule? The rule was designed to give teams who feel the need to get rid of a player they deem unproductive a break from potentially paying 'luxury tax' (in years there is a tax) on the future cap amounts paid to the player.
If such a player signs to play with another team, will it effect the original team's financial obligation to him? Maybe. After being waived, if he signs a new deal elsewhere for the minimum contract, then he keeps the minimum in additon to his original pay. If he signs for more than the minimum, his original pay is reduced by 50% of the amount he receives above the minimum. For example, if the minimum is $1M and he signs for $5M, his pay from the original team would be reduced by $2M (50% of the amount above $1M.)
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Great article, there's also much more there .
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06-27-2005, 01:40 AM
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Re: Two Finley articles
What to do with Finley? (another DB.com article)
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If you hated the way Steve Nash came back to haunt the Mavs after they let him walk for nothing, you're going to despise the potential aftershocks of doing the same thing with Michael Finley.
So we think through the rather obscure clause included in the new CBA. ... and rather than type up headlines that scream, "FINELY SHOULD BE WAIVED!'' we come up with something we believe to be infinitely more productive (and almost as scream-worthy): "MAYBE FINELY SHOULD BE TRADED.''
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FISH ON RADIO
Let's walk through how Dallas can kill multiple birds with one stone -- all by NOT waiving Michael Finley.
IS FINLEY REALLY ABOUT TO BE WAIVED USING THIS RULE?
The agreement regarding the new CBA was announced Tuesday, and DallasBasketball.com was the first and only Dallas-based outlet to tell you at that time about this particular rule being included in that deal. The idea of applying this to Michael Finley began to be discussed on websites in the following day or so, and then Friday the DMN came out with blazing headlines saying "Finley may be let go'' and seemingly campaigning for the Mavericks to get rid of Finley. It followed up with another on Saturday. Coincidence? Or newspaper-selling opportunism? We don't know.
We do know that the DMN says directly that Mavs officials gave no indication that they were even remotely contemplating the idea of waiving Finley under this rule. They also relate quotes that were almost a blow-off when they apparently asked, 'Are you thinking Finley is the type of person that rule was created for?' (Reply: "Every team in the NBA has a player who fits that mode.'')
To be complete, let us note that Eddie Sefko says he has two sources that think this is something the Mavs might do, but there is no indication who these sources are, and whether they have any credibility. Tom House who writes for hoopsworld.com notes that he also has a source that thinks there might be something to this. Our antenna further goes up a bit when the DMN accompanies Sefko's original speculative piece with a note by the respected David Moore saying how good it would be for the Mavs to do this, followed today by another pure advocacy article touting the idea. It makes one wonder: do they know something we don't? Have they been asked by the powers that be to provide PR to the public for a shocking move the Mavs are about to make?
Or are they just selling newspapers with the most controversial concept they can imagine? No one knows, til the Mavs tell us something or til the season starts.
ANALYZING THE IDEA: DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO WAIVE FINLEY?
Regardless of whether the Mavs are seriously contemplating such a move, it is clear that the DMN writers think a decision to cut Finley would be a cut-and-dried win for the Mavs, under this new rule. We think the idea is far more questionable.
David Moore says the Mavs should waive Finley because the 51M he is due over the next 3 years is too much to pay for a backup player, which Finley has become. Is this true? Although the idea has been offered that Finley needs to accept a reduced role, we disagree on some levels, and we certainly disagree with David's math. We think a player should be encouraged to strive to be the best he can be - rather than instructed to be a backup - and let the chips fall where they may. If he isnt good enough to start, or if he needs to take a different role, then yes he needs to accept a lesser role at that point, but I want him working to be the best. But, as far as the money goes, if you waive him, you don't stop paying him the 51M. If thats too much to pay a backup (if thats what his role is), do you think it is better to be paying him 51M while he is playing for SA, Phoenix, or Houston?
An overpaid player doesn't equal a bad player. The question really should be whether or not Finley is still talented enough to provide something of benefit to the Mavs on the court in some way. Remember, they will pay him either way, and either he will play for them or for a rival while the Mavs essentially pay the salary.
If the team has determined that they really do not want to play him, even if he is on the team, that is a different matter - and in that case, he clearly would need to be traded (if possible) or waived under this rule. What does Avery Johnson think of Finley, and how would he prefer to use him? Does he want him on the court? That should be the real question here. Will the Mavs be a better team without him on the roster? If you waive him, you are spending 51M that says you think so -- so much so that you are willing to pay for him to play elsewhere.
Factors in evaluating his future role here include:
If Finley was quite impaired last year, will he be a much better player this year after repairs are done?
If Finley isn't here, are you comfortable with the outside shooting you are likely to be left with from your remaining swing men (Stack, Howard, Daniels)?
Or is this going to be a team that focuses on attacking the basket and disdains the 3?
How will you replace him - from inside the roster, or outside?
If from the outside, how can you also acquire a backup center too, with limited options due to being over the cap?
IS THERE A BETTER IDEA FOR MOVING FINLEY?
The Mavs still have an admitted hole at backup center. If they are intent on getting rid of Finley, before I went that route I would explore a trade with Portland, where the players coming back would be Ratliff (the backup athletic veteran center, who like Finley is on a bloated contract) and Patterson, who has some talent but also has character issues so large that the Mavs have no use for him, and for whom the Trail Blazers reportedly would love to find a taker. Portland needs a SG, and needs solid character guys, and Finley is both - and they presumably wouldnt be giving up anything they badly wanted to keep anyhow.
With that move, the Mavs would then have their backup center need satisfied. Maybe there would be a team out there that would want Patterson (who does have talent) and would give up someone that the Mavs might prefer in a one-for-one swap - Utah supposedly would like to get him, some say. Or in the worst case the Mavs could just waive him, since they are presumably in the contract-eating mode anyhow.
Besides, I think the Mavs already have the ideal candidate for application of this rule in Bradley, who is reported to be on the cusp of retirement, with the Mavs paying him off in full. If they apply this rule to Bradley, they arent losing any talent in the process, since Bradley was already out of their future. The only way this wouldn't make sense with Bradley is if the team is able to get him designated as permanently disabled from playing in the league, which would erase him from the cap (and tax potential) after one year - but I think such designation is not much more than a fanciful wish on the Mavs' part.
WORST CASE SCENARIO
The worst case scenario if the Mavs cut Finley? The worst case is Finley gets waived to avoid tax, and then there is no tax levied (so no tax saved). In the meantime, the Mavs continue to pay Finley his remaining $51M salary, and he chooses to go to Phoenix as the 3-point marksman to replace the just-traded Richardson. The Suns are able to sign him for cheap, since Cuban is paying him max money, and are thus able to add even more talent in other positions on their tight budget. Then, on Cuban's nickel, he and Nash kick the Mavs out of the playoffs and win titles. (If you complained about losing Nash, you'll really be bugged by that one, we predict.)
Or alternately, he goes to Houston, where they pass the Mavs and become impossible for the Mavs to beat. (also unsavory for the Mavs fan.)
If any of that happens, especially after the PR nightmare from losing Nash, the Mavs franchise will be in severe danger of being seen as in a mode of disarray, and fans will become disillusioned - costing Cuban way more than he ever could have lost in luxury tax.
We believe the Mavs will make quite certain Fin flat can't play before they open that door, which would be a personnel-department and a PR-department gaffe. Instead of using Finley as a headline-screaming scapegoat, we reccomend using him as a commodity. In Dallas, to help the Mavs. ... or in a trade, to help the Mavs.
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06-27-2005, 08:25 AM
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Re: Two Finley articles
I really like the trade idea in the second article. It would really help to get two smaller contracts than Finleys because they would be easier to trade. The Buyout wouldnt be bad but I dont think Finley would take less money.
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