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Re: Mavs sign Harris to a 5 year extension
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Correct me if I am wrong, but you are comparing a back-up and a starter, no?
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Barbosa>Harris.
He plays more minutes than Harris....who cares if he starts or not?
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09-23-2007, 09:13 PM
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Re: Mavs sign Harris to a 5 year extension
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Barbosa>Harris.
He plays more minutes than Harris....who cares if he starts or not?
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ummmm..... the players ALL care.
If a player is slated to start for the season, he'll demand certain money. If he's playing from the bench (as a BACK-UP, as in not-the-main-man), he'll demand something different.
Simple finance 101, no?
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09-24-2007, 12:00 AM
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Re: Mavs sign Harris to a 5 year extension
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ummmm..... the players ALL care.
If a player is slated to start for the season, he'll demand certain money. If he's playing from the bench (as a BACK-UP, as in not-the-main-man), he'll demand something different.
Simple finance 101, no?
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The problem with your logic is that Barbosa could have easily got starter money elsewhere, but chose the suns.
All I said was "this makes Barbosa's deal look even better now". Which is correct. When a better player, who plays the same position and plays more minutes, has a smaller contract it's a good thing. No matter how you try to spin this, "well he's a starter" nonsense.
Furthermore, you appear to have no concept of the suns if you believe Barbosa is a "back-up, not-the-main-man" type player. Do you really think that Devin is "the main man"  . Barbosa has a greater impact on the suns than Devin does on the mavs. Which is how contracts should be based, what type of impact a player has to his team.
But if it makes you feel better about the contract you can try to spin it
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09-24-2007, 09:21 AM
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The problem with your logic is that Barbosa could have easily got starter money elsewhere, but chose the suns.
All I said was "this makes Barbosa's deal look even better now". Which is correct. When a better player, who plays the same position and plays more minutes, has a smaller contract it's a good thing. No matter how you try to spin this, "well he's a starter" nonsense.
Furthermore, you appear to have no concept of the suns if you believe Barbosa is a "back-up, not-the-main-man" type player. Do you really think that Devin is "the main man" . Barbosa has a greater impact on the suns than Devin does on the mavs. Which is how contracts should be based, what type of impact a player has to his team.
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lol...
I am not trying to spin anything. I am just stating the obvious. Starters will always demand more money than bench players.
I am fully aware how talented Barbosa is, and I am sure Suns GM told Barbosa that his "big money" WILL come with the next contract....... when he STARTS. I really don't think I am introducing a new NBA concept here.
FWIW, my patience with Devin Harris is wearing thin, and, if he doesn't average 15/3/8 next season, I'd be the first to scream for his head.
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09-24-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: Mavs sign Harris to a 5 year extension
8 assists is pushing it.
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09-24-2007, 04:22 PM
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8 assists is pushing it.
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For a true point that we need him to be?
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09-24-2007, 05:20 PM
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The problem with your logic is that Barbosa could have easily
All I said was "this makes Barbosa's deal look even better now". Which is correct. When a better player, who plays the same position and plays more minutes, has a smaller contract it's a good thing. No matter how you try to spin this, "well he's a starter" nonsense.
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Do you know why Barbosa plays more minutes than Harris? Because the Mavs use more bench players than the Suns do. The Mavs have a small starting back court so when the other team gets big, the Mavs have to go big and put in Stack or George. It has nothing to do with the talent of Devin. It has to deal with the execution and distinction of time in the game plan.
Yeah, so it may be a little bit of a hefty contract, but Devin is quite possibly, if not, may become one the best defensive guards in the league. I will call it right now. Devin Harris will be on one of the Defensive Teams before this contract runs out... and besides, the Mavs have the money to give him this contract.
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09-24-2007, 08:20 PM
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For a true point that we need him to be?
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That's not what i meant.
I don't think he will get anything near 8 assists next year.
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09-25-2007, 03:08 AM
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That's not what i meant.
I don't think he will get anything near 8 assists next year.
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Me neither, at least not in that stagnant offense we had last year. I hope that the addition of Paul Westphal to the coaching staff will help everyone to become more creative and most of all help Devin Harris to make more plays, for others or himself.
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09-25-2007, 03:53 AM
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Do you know why Barbosa plays more minutes than Harris? Because the Mavs use more bench players than the Suns do. The Mavs have a small starting back court so when the other team gets big, the Mavs have to go big and put in Stack or George. It has nothing to do with the talent of Devin. It has to deal with the execution and distinction of time in the game plan.
Yeah, so it may be a little bit of a hefty contract, but Devin is quite possibly, if not, may become one the best defensive guards in the league. I will call it right now. Devin Harris will be on one of the Defensive Teams before this contract runs out... and besides, the Mavs have the money to give him this contract.
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09-25-2007, 10:30 AM
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Then........ spread it around! 
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09-26-2007, 07:27 PM
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You owe me some rep then, I wont forget.  Haha, and thanks Ed.
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09-26-2007, 08:20 PM
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Re: Mavs sign Harris to a 5 year extension
got your back, chica!
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