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apelman42 · 02-19-2008, 08:34 PM

Dragnsmke1,

Yer a nice person. You're going to wish you had Devin on your team in 2 years.

HKF and Dornado,

100% agree.

Devin couldn't do jack because he had to worry about getting Dirk "job squad" Nowitzki the ball. Now that Devin will have room to penetrate and dish to RJ and Vince in Jersey, he'll average another assist or two per game.

Have fun losing in the 2nd round Dallas.

rocketeer · 02-19-2008, 08:38 PM

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Have fun losing in the 2nd round Dallas.

the 2nd round? getting out of the first isn't a lock for any team in the west.

Cameron Crazy · 02-19-2008, 08:45 PM

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It will be interesting to see what happens with Kidd. I doubt Avery will micro-manage him like he did Harris. Harris should feast on Eastern Conference point guards.

I can agree with that, I just can't see Avery making any HUGE changes to suit Kidd.

Dragnsmke1 · 02-19-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by apelman42

Dragnsmke1,

Yer a nice person. You're going to wish you had Devin on your team in 2 years.

HKF and Dornado,

100% agree.

Devin couldn't do jack because he had to worry about getting Dirk "job squad" Nowitzki the ball. Now that Devin will have room to penetrate and dish to RJ and Vince in Jersey, he'll average another assist or two per game.

Have fun losing in the 2nd round Dallas.

Ill worry about that in 2 years...the Mavs have been good for 10 years now...Im not pining for Finley or anything, having Devin would be the same equivalent. Ive said this team has to win now and doesn't have 2 more years for Devin to develop. All these people who think Devin is that good. I want to know what games y'all have been watching? Ive watched him for years and he has never impressed me beyond more then a fast break here or there.And if you actually check my post history Ive been saying Devin is not as good as advertised for quite a while. guess the Mavs finally agree...how much did it cost us to move up to number 5 to take Devin any way?

did you also say Devin didnt have room to penetrate?!! That was his only job!
Every since Devin has been the Mavs starting PG they have been dead last in assist and its not because Devin is dropping 30 a game

p.s. calling me an idiot isn't an argument, it just means you don't have a real one.

apelman42 · 02-19-2008, 09:34 PM

And saying Devin sucks isn't an argument either. Guys who average 14 and 5 at PG suck? On that team where he's the 5th option because his coach tells him to be? Please...

Yah, he'll be able to penetrate even more now that he doesn't have to worry about ******* Dirk demanding the ball. Half the time Devin would just lob it in to Dirk and start back pedaling to go and get ready to play defense. He was much more offense oriented in college, something that he lost in Dallas because he's a man with unselfishness, a man without an ego...and he had to fill all those egos by getting those guys (mainly Dirk) the ball.

rocketeer · 02-19-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragnsmke1

did you also say Devin didnt have room to penetrate?!! That was his only job!
Every since Devin has been the Mavs starting PG they have been dead last in assist and its not because Devin is dropping 30 a game

when the job of the pg is to pass the ball to dirk at around the free throw line, then move off the ball where are the assists supposed to come from. the mavs system is all about creating mismatches and then attacking them one on one. that is the reason they are always last in assists. unless dallas makes big changes in their offense, i doubt that changes much.

**edwardcyh** · 02-19-2008, 09:56 PM

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I don't think Devin has the right of mind to be saying that it is not possible to get 15 assists on the Mavs. It's more than possible. I bet Kidd will do it within the first 10 games he is in Dallas.

Now, I love Devin. I don't like seeing him go. That type of comment is unacceptable though. He has no right to say that he can't get assists because of his surrounding players.

+1

If DIRK can get his 10+ assist this season, please don't tell me a PG can't do that on this team.

People talk about how DAL is so iso happy, but people never wonder whether or not DAL players are FORCED to be iso because our PG can't quite get the ball to them.

**Aurelino** · 02-19-2008, 10:08 PM

The AST/FG ratio for the Nets this season is the best in the league (70% of the total FGs are assisted) while the Mavs are below average with only around 55% of total baskets assisted. This is definitely going to change. I can see the Mavs getting an AST/FG ratio in the 60s from here on.

**edwardcyh** · 02-19-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by apelman42

And saying Devin sucks isn't an argument either. Guys who average 14 and 5 at PG suck? On that team where he's the 5th option because his coach tells him to be? Please...

Yah, he'll be able to penetrate even more now that he doesn't have to worry about ******* Dirk demanding the ball. Half the time Devin would just lob it in to Dirk and start back pedaling to go and get ready to play defense. He was much more offense oriented in college, something that he lost in Dallas because he's a man with unselfishness, a man without an ego...and he had to fill all those egos by getting those guys (mainly Dirk) the ball.

Couple holes in your "argument."

First, a PG should worry about one thing: running the floor/play. When the season started, the fans here wanted a mere 7 apg out of Devin this season. We'd be happy with 7! While Chris Paul and Deron Williams came out later than Harris, both of them have shown dramatic progress in the past 2 seasons. Should we not expect a minimum of 7 apg for a guard that's been in the league since 2004?

Second, Dirk doesn't demand the ball. In fact, Dirk is probably going down in infamy for his stunt in GSW series last season. I don't know if you actually watched DAL games, but Dirk hid behind defenders on the baseline... His "unselfish" (that's the nicest word I could find) attitude is why DAL is desperate for leadership.

If you say Harris lost his ego since his college days, then I sincerely hope he gets it back as a NJN. As far as I know, once you lose it, it will be pretty darned hard to get it back.

**edwardcyh** · 02-19-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketeer

when the job of the pg is to pass the ball to dirk at around the free throw line, then move off the ball where are the assists supposed to come from. the mavs system is all about creating mismatches and then attacking them one on one. that is the reason they are always last in assists. unless dallas makes big changes in their offense, i doubt that changes much.

Hate to disagree with you on this...

DAL is FORCED to look for mismatches because we can't run set plays. There are no floor generals here in Dallas except for AJ from the sideline. I continuously bring this back up, but Avery Johnson gave Devin 100% freedom to run the team for first 20 games this season. He actually ordered Westphal to grab him when his butt leaves the chair....

What has happened since then? A coach, who used to play PG, decided it's time to bring in somebody else to run the floor.

As for Kidd, when you actually have a guy who'd run/create plays for you, you think DAL players would continue to stand around and wait for mismatches?

I doubt it.... at least I hope.

rocketeer · 02-19-2008, 10:20 PM

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First, a PG should worry about one thing: running the floor/play. When the season started, the fans here wanted a mere 7 apg out of Devin this season. We'd be happy with 7! While Chris Paul and Deron Williams came out later than Harris, both of them have shown dramatic progress in the past 2 seasons. Should we not expect a minimum of 7 apg for a guard that's been in the league since 2004?

it's dumb to ever just pick a number and stat and decide that player can only be successful if he gets to that certain number in that specific stat.

**edwardcyh** · 02-19-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurelino

The AST/FG ratio for the Nets this season is the best in the league (70% of the total FGs are assisted) while the Mavs are below average with only around 55% of total baskets assisted. This is definitely going to change. I can see the Mavs getting an AST/FG ratio in the 60s from here on.

That ratio would be so welcomed here in DAL. This offense looks so stagnant at times that I wonder if we could get Avery Johnson to suit up.

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