View Poll Results: Should we have traded Dirk last offseason?

**Dre™** · 05-01-2008, 12:52 PM

Rasheed Wallace. At least we'd be entertained.

DaRizzle · 05-01-2008, 12:54 PM

^That would be lame for the PA announcer in DET...

Dirk Now Now Now Nowitzki!

stevemc · 05-01-2008, 01:06 PM

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We wouldn't be any better with Brand. We'd be in the same spot, what's the point of making lateral moves?

I can't say we'd be in the same spot since Brand is a true PF not some tweener who can't guard anyone. It'd be far from a lateral move since we haven't had someone who can score with their back to the basket since...... I can't even think of anyone here for an example.

Or we could continue to die by the jump shot in post season play, since we manage to live by it all regular season.

Guess its just a difference in basketball philosophy... I like the ol' school approach of bangin in the middle then taking it outside if needed.

**croco** · 05-01-2008, 01:10 PM

You will have a hard time finding people who believe that Brand is better than Dirk.

**Dre™** · 05-01-2008, 01:27 PM

Brand would also go further away from Kidd's style.

stevemc · 05-01-2008, 01:28 PM

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You will have a hard time finding people who believe that Brand is better than Dirk.

Better all around? yea... Dirk does have him beat there. Pick Dirk for NBA Superstars thats great.

But a better true PF and a better piece to a team? I'll it argue all day. Only knock would be his injuries.

With Dirk's limitations you have to find players to make up for it. why not fill the position with a real PF and take the traditional route to a championship. To me it seems Dirk is more of a gimmick player. Kinda like the pass heavy offenses some college football programs use. Works for the most part but pretty worthless once people figure out how to defend the gimmick.

btw, I didn't really want to sound like this much of a Dirk hater but I'll argue my opinions for the sake of board traffic and our own entertainment.

**croco** · 05-01-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stevemc

Better all around? yea... Dirk does have him beat there. Pick Dirk for NBA Superstars thats great.

But a better true PF and a better piece to a team? I'll it argue all day. Only knock would be his injuries.

With Dirk's limitations you have to find players to make up for it. why not fill the position with a real PF and take the traditional route to a championship. To me it seems Dirk is more of a gimmick player. Kinda like the pass heavy offenses some college football programs use. Works for the most part but pretty worthless once people figure out how to defend the gimmick.

btw, I didn't really want to sound like this much of a Dirk hater but I'll argue my opinions for the sake of board traffic and our own entertainment.

You sure sound like one though.

Also, if you know people who could post here, bring them to us, more traffic is always something to look for.

I'm not sure if teams have figured out, he still had a PER of 24 over the season and 26 in the playoffs, that is very good. Not superstar good because I believe there are only a handful, but still good enough to be a major threat. It's not like he has had a Golden State flashback this year.

rocketeer · 05-01-2008, 02:02 PM

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Dirk is the face of the team... the star.. He is the Mavs for the most part so he had the meltdown. Just like everyone blaming Bush for everything, he's the face of our crap gov and being held directly responsible. In both cases the increased responsibility comes with the job. I for one, am ready for a new face for both.

you can say that all you want, but it's still wrong. the blame should not go on the best player because the players around him aren't as good or play terrible. you should only be blamed for things that you have control over. to say dirk had a meltdown when he was one of the few dallas players that actually stood up and had a good series is just stupid and wrong.

and as unpopular as this may be, the same has been happening to an extent with bush. by no means has he done a good job, but he gets blamed for many things that are out of his control(such as the economy).

stevemc · 05-01-2008, 02:30 PM

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you can say that all you want, but it's still wrong. the blame should not go on the best player because the players around him aren't as good or play terrible. you should only be blamed for things that you have control over. to say dirk had a meltdown when he was one of the few dallas players that actually stood up and had a good series is just stupid and wrong.

and as unpopular as this may be, the same has been happening to an extent with bush. by no means has he done a good job, but he gets blamed for many things that are out of his control(such as the economy).

Whats stupid and wrong is sheltering a Star from the criticism he deserves. He's the 1st place we look when the team under achieves. The Star of an NBA team is like a QB in the NFL. Both often get too much credit or too little but the blame starts there. Besides, you keep throwing stats at me like that makes a difference. Of course he's going to points thats all he can do. How many of those points were well after the Hornets already had a lead and had the 2nd team in? Of Course he'll get around 10 boards a game, he's 7 foot tall playing against a team with only 3 players close to his size (no more than two on the floor of those 3 at any given time). How many were offensive boards? What it comes down to is the W. Stats tell you only a limited part of the story that can be twisted at times to be misleading. Yes, Dirk did better this series compared to last year (could he have done much worse?). Personal Meltdown this year? No, but he was the Captain of the ship that sunk so take that for what it is. Captain who blames his crew isn't much a captain. Dirk didn't seem very vocal towards his team, didnt' see him trying to rally the troops even.. but hey he got 26 points a game.

As for Bush...Economy was and IS his fault.. don't you remember the pep talk for people keep spending money after 9/11? How about this worthless war thats costing billions? How about his brash actions towards other countries and his oil company friendly policies causing the price per barrel to hit new records? As many bills as he has Vetoed its hard not to associate his face with our countries' current situation handcuffing any change that might effect someone in that top 5%'s wallet and help individuals.

rocketeer · 05-01-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stevemc

Whats stupid and wrong is sheltering a Star from the criticism he deserves. He's the 1st place we look when the team under achieves. The Star of an NBA team is like a QB in the NFL. Both often get too much credit or too little but the blame starts there. Besides, you keep throwing stats at me like that makes a difference. Of course he's going to points thats all he can do. How many of those points were well after the Hornets already had a lead and had the 2nd team in? Of Course he'll get around 10 boards a game, he's 7 foot tall playing against a team with only 3 players close to his size (no more than two on the floor of those 3 at any given time). How many were offensive boards? What it comes down to is the W. Stats tell you only a limited part of the story that can be twisted at times to be misleading. Yes, Dirk did better this series compared to last year (could he have done much worse?). Personal Meltdown this year? No, but he was the Captain of the ship that sunk so take that for what it is. Captain who blames his crew isn't much a captain. Dirk didn't seem very vocal towards his team, didnt' see him trying to rally the troops even.. but hey he got 26 points a game.

he shouldn't be shelter from criticism but just receive the criticism he deserves rather than just ridiculous criticism thrown around for no reason. it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean that is incorrect and stupid every time.

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As for Bush...Economy was and IS his fault.. don't you remember the pep talk for people keep spending money after 9/11? How about this worthless war thats costing billions? How about his brash actions towards other countries and his oil company friendly policies causing the price per barrel to hit new records? As many bills as he has Vetoed its hard not to associate his face with our countries' current situation handcuffing any change that might effect someone in that top 5%'s wallet and help individuals.

i don't really feel like having this discussion, but you're not really correct. the president doesn't have as much control over the economy as people pretend he does(and as he says he does when trying to get elected).

stevemc · 05-01-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rocketeer

he shouldn't be shelter from criticism but just receive the criticism he deserves rather than just ridiculous criticism thrown around for no reason. it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean that is incorrect and stupid every time.

Ridiculous criticism would be if we actually weren't knocked out of the 1st round again and I was saying such things. I have the right to my opinion and after watching a guy for this long with similar post season results regardless the teammates one has to think its time for change. You can keep your glorified jump shooter.. I'll wait for a real basketball player.

I'm not getting my hopes up with the Mavs until a drastic player personnel change is made. Plain and simple. Either find someone with some toughness to even out Dirk's Euro softness or move him.

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i don't really feel like having this discussion, but you're not really correct. the president doesn't have as much control over the economy as people pretend he does(and as he says he does when trying to get elected).

I listed examples of how he did and has individually effected our economic situation but whatever.

**croco** · 05-01-2008, 03:02 PM

Cut out this Euro crap please.

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