nbanoitall

Cleveland could potientally offer him 6 million a year. Kiki brought back Vo Lenard. So does kiki plan to go a cheaper route in adding to the backcourt.

List of Bargain buys.
Jeff McInnis
Kerry Kittles

one of those
and bring back
either buckner or Johnson.

Plus you have hodge and two veteran point guards. I prefer Jaric big time. Is this going to be an improvement? I think McInnis and Andre Miller would play well together.

__________________
Bret Bearup & Stan Kroenke Hate Club
PM Me to Join if you freakin' hate Breaup and Kroenke and hope Kroenke sells the team!
1. NBANOITALL! 2. Kuskid 3. RoddneyThaRippa (PM to join)


Adam Morrison Fan Club1. nbanoitall 2. Kuskid 3. 23AJ 4. darth-horax 5. shookem 6. tdk1984 7. DWest Superstar 8. UD409. tempe85 10. Bobby Digital32 11. oblivion 12. NeTs15VC 13. Blazers8 14. Sheed! 15. Charlotte16. somejewishdude 17. The Man 18. kaniffmn 19. Ghost 20. pmac34 21. pain5155 22. bootstrenf 23. iNdIaNa31PaCeRsThe Official J.R. Smith Fanclub1) DwyaneWade4MVP (Club starter) 2) Hobojoe 3) BDizzle 4) Cam*Ron 5) Peja Vu 6) Herdof 7) Tooeasy 8) _Dre_ 9) Theo! 10) Matt85163 11) HORNETSFAN 12) Turkish Delight 13) Pioneer10 14) DaUnbreakableKinG 15) S-Star 16) Milo35 17) carter15 18) johnson1111 19) Q8i 20) R-Star 21) madman 22) Kekai23 23) Jermaniac Fan 24) Nejc 25) Pacers Fan (Caretaker for months) 26) DanDickau 27) Pejavlade 28) KidCanada101 29) ian 30) Blazer Freak 31) Rep The South 32) Pinball 33) Marth 34) supermati 35) X-Factor 36) P2TheTruth34 37) LakerLunatic 38) big pacer 20 39) TONYALLEN42 40) Superdude211 41) KiNgJaMeZ 42) PaCeRhOLiC 43) NOBLE(Last Owner) 44) KokotheMonkey 45) clien 46) Bron_Melo_ROY 47) KoBe & BeN GoRdOn! 48) DaBigTicketKG2149) TheChampion 50) girllovesthegame 51) Net2 52) King Joseus 53) KingHandles 54)Drk Element 55) Wilmatic2 56) netfan4life 57) Reign 58) bbasok 59) ez8o5 60) donut 61) Dee-Zy 62) MarvinWilliams#1in05 63) NBANOITALL 64) iNdIaNa31PaCeRs

RoddneyThaRippa

I wouldn't mind McInnis or Kittles but I don't think McInnis fits, as he needs most of his minutes at point guard. Kittles would be nice, though.

nbanoitall

hes been kinda a combo in the past. thats why i think mcinnis would work well with Andre.

__________________
Bret Bearup & Stan Kroenke Hate Club
PM Me to Join if you freakin' hate Breaup and Kroenke and hope Kroenke sells the team!
1. NBANOITALL! 2. Kuskid 3. RoddneyThaRippa (PM to join)


Adam Morrison Fan Club1. nbanoitall 2. Kuskid 3. 23AJ 4. darth-horax 5. shookem 6. tdk1984 7. DWest Superstar 8. UD409. tempe85 10. Bobby Digital32 11. oblivion 12. NeTs15VC 13. Blazers8 14. Sheed! 15. Charlotte16. somejewishdude 17. The Man 18. kaniffmn 19. Ghost 20. pmac34 21. pain5155 22. bootstrenf 23. iNdIaNa31PaCeRsThe Official J.R. Smith Fanclub1) DwyaneWade4MVP (Club starter) 2) Hobojoe 3) BDizzle 4) Cam*Ron 5) Peja Vu 6) Herdof 7) Tooeasy 8) _Dre_ 9) Theo! 10) Matt85163 11) HORNETSFAN 12) Turkish Delight 13) Pioneer10 14) DaUnbreakableKinG 15) S-Star 16) Milo35 17) carter15 18) johnson1111 19) Q8i 20) R-Star 21) madman 22) Kekai23 23) Jermaniac Fan 24) Nejc 25) Pacers Fan (Caretaker for months) 26) DanDickau 27) Pejavlade 28) KidCanada101 29) ian 30) Blazer Freak 31) Rep The South 32) Pinball 33) Marth 34) supermati 35) X-Factor 36) P2TheTruth34 37) LakerLunatic 38) big pacer 20 39) TONYALLEN42 40) Superdude211 41) KiNgJaMeZ 42) PaCeRhOLiC 43) NOBLE(Last Owner) 44) KokotheMonkey 45) clien 46) Bron_Melo_ROY 47) KoBe & BeN GoRdOn! 48) DaBigTicketKG2149) TheChampion 50) girllovesthegame 51) Net2 52) King Joseus 53) KingHandles 54)Drk Element 55) Wilmatic2 56) netfan4life 57) Reign 58) bbasok 59) ez8o5 60) donut 61) Dee-Zy 62) MarvinWilliams#1in05 63) NBANOITALL 64) iNdIaNa31PaCeRs

Timmons

I get a little queezy when I think of Denver resigning Buckner. He already got a decent contract when he left Dallas and went to Phili. The guy stinks. I mean his offense is okay, but he's a bench player. He has no upside and his defensive prowness of way overrated.

Johnson is an intriguing player. His upside makes him appealing, but can Denver wait on his 'potential'? I seem to think he's worth the wait, but who knows w/ Kiki.

Kiki looks to be toying w/ free agents. Jaric still has not scheduled a visit for pete's sake. Now Minnesota and Cleveland are in the mix w/ more $. So I think Jaric is out of the picture and that's disappointing. He would have worked nice if he's over his injury bugs.

I'd still like to get more details (contract money) that Flip Murray wants. Any ideas? He seems more promising than Buckner.
I just can't stand Buckner. I don't see what Kiki sees in him at all...

nbanoitall

flip seems like a scorer much more than a shooter. i doubt he could shoot over 30% from the 3 point line. Guys like McInnis, Kittles, Jaric, and even Johnson can shoot the ball out there.

__________________
Bret Bearup & Stan Kroenke Hate Club
PM Me to Join if you freakin' hate Breaup and Kroenke and hope Kroenke sells the team!
1. NBANOITALL! 2. Kuskid 3. RoddneyThaRippa (PM to join)


Adam Morrison Fan Club1. nbanoitall 2. Kuskid 3. 23AJ 4. darth-horax 5. shookem 6. tdk1984 7. DWest Superstar 8. UD409. tempe85 10. Bobby Digital32 11. oblivion 12. NeTs15VC 13. Blazers8 14. Sheed! 15. Charlotte16. somejewishdude 17. The Man 18. kaniffmn 19. Ghost 20. pmac34 21. pain5155 22. bootstrenf 23. iNdIaNa31PaCeRsThe Official J.R. Smith Fanclub1) DwyaneWade4MVP (Club starter) 2) Hobojoe 3) BDizzle 4) Cam*Ron 5) Peja Vu 6) Herdof 7) Tooeasy 8) _Dre_ 9) Theo! 10) Matt85163 11) HORNETSFAN 12) Turkish Delight 13) Pioneer10 14) DaUnbreakableKinG 15) S-Star 16) Milo35 17) carter15 18) johnson1111 19) Q8i 20) R-Star 21) madman 22) Kekai23 23) Jermaniac Fan 24) Nejc 25) Pacers Fan (Caretaker for months) 26) DanDickau 27) Pejavlade 28) KidCanada101 29) ian 30) Blazer Freak 31) Rep The South 32) Pinball 33) Marth 34) supermati 35) X-Factor 36) P2TheTruth34 37) LakerLunatic 38) big pacer 20 39) TONYALLEN42 40) Superdude211 41) KiNgJaMeZ 42) PaCeRhOLiC 43) NOBLE(Last Owner) 44) KokotheMonkey 45) clien 46) Bron_Melo_ROY 47) KoBe & BeN GoRdOn! 48) DaBigTicketKG2149) TheChampion 50) girllovesthegame 51) Net2 52) King Joseus 53) KingHandles 54)Drk Element 55) Wilmatic2 56) netfan4life 57) Reign 58) bbasok 59) ez8o5 60) donut 61) Dee-Zy 62) MarvinWilliams#1in05 63) NBANOITALL 64) iNdIaNa31PaCeRs

Timmons

Yeah, I was just wondering what kind of money he wanted. If he can't shoot then the Nugs should leave him alone. Johnson can drive and shoot, so can McInnis and Kittles.

Jaric is only a 34% career 3-point shooter. He did jump to 37% this season, but he only played in 50 games. Denver needs durability. I am not sure if Jaric is the answer. Especially not for $6 mill a year like the Cavs could offer. Maybe for a large portion of the MLE.?

Flip only played in 49 games and only shot 25% from 3 land! Not good.

Triple_Single

Vo being back shouldn't make any difference with regards to going after Jaric or Finley. There's no way the Nuggets can bank on him as their starter... he's just a depth guy and he's better suited for coming off the bench anyway. As I explained in the earlier thread, chances are keeping Vo isn't going to make a difference in terms of money to spend on free agents. I'd still like them to go hard after Finley or Jaric. I still like Jaric because of his value as a combo guard, so he can play the point when Boykins goes nuts.

cpawfan

Kittles' career is probably over. He has a degenerative disk that he doesn't want to have operated on. His wife had a baby recently and reports were that he couldn't even lift the baby.

__________________

Timmons

The only problem is that Finley has not been released by Dallas. I don't know how long Cuban has to release Fin, I thought I read by July 22, but that sounds too soon ?? . If the Nuggets bank on Finley being released and he doesn't then we are screwed.

The Jaric ship seems to have already sailed.

__________________
Nuggets Brassketbrawl

RoddneyThaRippa

Vo's contract is 3.2 million. It will have an effect on how much we can offer. How doesn't it?

Triple_Single

Yeah, that's really up in the air, but, it seems like a done deal that hell be bought out... there hasn't been anything coming out of Dallas that would suggest anything otherwise. If they have decided to do it, it would only be fair to Finley to do it as soon as possible so that he can go out and find the best situation for him. I'd think they would try and do it as soon as possible out of respect for Finley. But you never know...

Triple_Single

It would only effect how much they can spend if the cap is high enough that buying him out would put them far under the cap enough that they would have more than the exceptions in cap space. Basically, there is a cap figure that is different from the actual amount of the salaries. If you combine all the cap figures from all the contracts, plus cap holds for unsigned draft picks and unfilled roster spots, then add the exception amounts of the MLE and LLE, and that combined amount is still under the cap, then you don't have the exceptions and you get the cap space instead. If that amount is higher than the cap, you just get the exceptions to spend. If it wasn't like this, it would be possible that teams just under the cap would have less than the exceptions to spend, which would put them at an unfair disadvantage for an arbitrary reason. The way it is, it's impossible to have less than the exceptions to spend in an off season.

From what I've heard, the Nuggets total salary with Vo is about $48 million. If they bought him out it would be about $45 million. So it all depends on what the final cap figure is. If it's $48-$50 million, they would not be far enough under the cap by buying out Vo to clear the exceptions amounts. On the other hand, if it turned out to be $51 to $52 million, like the economics professor that cpawfan linked earlier thought it would be, they might have just enough room to clear the cap space. But other than that economics professor, most people are expecting the cap to be at $48 to $49 million. If that were the case, if they bought out Vo they would only have about the $5 million MLE and the $1.7 million LLE (plus the minimum salary exceptions) to spend. And they would have exactly that amount if they kept him too.