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Old 11-08-2005, 09:26 AM   #16 (permalink)
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are you somehow prejudice against his size......
I could care less about his size. I'm concerned about his effect on the offense, which to me, is apparently negative.
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Old 11-08-2005, 09:27 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 11-08-2005, 09:31 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I can't place all the blame of our teams offense on one bench player. There is a lot of work to be done it seems. And I'm a bit befuddled by it all considering the great pre-season we had.
I'm not trying to blame Earl for everything. Obviously, this team has many problems that aren't related to Earl. But I think Earl is the emodiement of our problems in the halfcourt - lack of ball movement, no set plays, and poor shot selection. When he enters the game a lot of the time, the offense comes to a grinding halt. I really appreciate his scoring prowess off the bench, but he's gotta be more involved in the offense, not just an individual out there. He can be extremely effective at times and causes huge problems for the opponent. But when he goes in the game and jacks up shots at will (which is the majority of the time), he kills us.

And don't forget, Earl isn't a very good shooter. He's a scorer, not a shooter. It's not like having Bibby out there throwing shots up.
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:32 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Earl Watson Playing Time ?

I gotta go with Roddney on this one.

Cut Earl's minutes. Karl loves him and says that if the Nuggets are ever in an offensive jam he'll put Earl in.

Boykins is very effective in bursts, but after he sinks a shot or two he tries to transform into 90's Jordan and take over.

Waaaayyyy too much dribbling on his part, maybe he's trying too much.

Roddney is also not against Earl's size at all. The size doesn't matter, it's the lack of effectiveness.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:12 AM   #20 (permalink)
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That's a fan club that might get me to break my personal rule of not joining any fan clubs
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:17 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Earl Watson Playing Time ?

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I gotta go with Roddney on this one.

Cut Earl's minutes. Karl loves him and says that if the Nuggets are ever in an offensive jam he'll put Earl in.

Boykins is very effective in bursts, but after he sinks a shot or two he tries to transform into 90's Jordan and take over.

Waaaayyyy too much dribbling on his part, maybe he's trying too much.

Roddney is also not against Earl's size at all. The size doesn't matter, it's the lack of effectiveness.
This is in part why I made the thread about floor spacing. We all know that the Nuggets don't have enough shooting although Vo has looked good. For the Nuggets to take advantage of their athletic front court, they have to push the pace and have proper floor spacing to kill teams that want to stuff the paint.

The 2 games I saw, Dre had reverted back to the Cooper days, the floor spacing was horrible and the tempo wasn't getting pushed. Boykins doesn't do anything to improve either of those aspects. I admit that I soured on Watson last season because his on court decision making didn't impress me, but come on Karl, give him a chance. I know that Watson will be willing to push the ball.
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm not trying to blame Earl for everything. Obviously, this team has many problems that aren't related to Earl. But I think Earl is the emodiement of our problems in the halfcourt - lack of ball movement, no set plays, and poor shot selection. When he enters the game a lot of the time, the offense comes to a grinding halt. I really appreciate his scoring prowess off the bench, but he's gotta be more involved in the offense, not just an individual out there. He can be extremely effective at times and causes huge problems for the opponent. But when he goes in the game and jacks up shots at will (which is the majority of the time), he kills us.

And don't forget, Earl isn't a very good shooter. He's a scorer, not a shooter. It's not like having Bibby out there throwing shots up.
I agree with you, and your right something needs to change with Boykins. I'm just not ready to say that Boykins missed shots, and deficiencies are his alone to blame. The over dribbling needs to be addressed by George Karl. However I think Karl tells Boykins to come in, and light up the team off the bench. So what I'm saying is I think the way Boykins play's has a lot to do with what our coaching staff asks of Boykins. However I do agree that something needs to be changed, because this isn't working right now.

What is the biggest difference you see in Boykins so far in the first few games vs., Boykins last season in that great 2nd half winning stretch by the Nuggets ?
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This statement is just hearsay.

The Nugget brass told the media that they'd love to have 3 point guards and Doug Moe used 3 ect. ect.
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heard of the Bush administration? I dont think you really believe they intended to keep 3 PGS. Lets be honest Watson knew he was going to be untradeable basically until the 15th of december. He knew Boykins wasnt going to start. Do you really think he didnt have inside information on the trade. Saying you like having and want to play the three guards is just to keep up their trade value. Kiki is still very open to a deal, i just dont believe he is overactively pursuing it. To him this is a long season and he can and will wait a little, and if he doesnt get something he likes he might wait to pull the trigger on major changes until this summer. But that might be too late to save his job.
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