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which is why its very good to have pics, much more valuable than kmart

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cpawfan

You aren't making sense

1) All of the picks traded away have already been picked and were used on Graham, Marcus Williams & Balkman
2) None were top 7 selections

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not making sense? it is possible to trade into the lotto even if we are not a lotto team. packaging a lower first round pick with something else could trip another teams trigger. You can in fact move up in a draft, I know its confusing, but trust me it happens

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23AJ

How many people were excited ? Everyone was! K-Mart was incredible for the Nets. Kenyon had a good post up game with the Nets, that seems to have vanished since he's been with the Nuggets. Kenyon use to dominate guys like Kurt Thomas. What happened to Kenyon is that his injury truly hit when he came to Denver, and it's been down hill for him ever since. However with out that injury Kenyon would be out there dominating the basketball court. It's a shame really what's happened to K-Mart.

pac4eva5

we already had nene and camby! and there were STILL holes at PG and SG that til this day still havent been fixed...

not to mention what we gave up for K was unnecessary...

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Was any team able to trade up for any of the top 4 picks in the 2003 draft? That is similar to what you are talking about doing.

Nobody but Zeke is trading away 2007 lottery picks for 2005 & 2006 draft picks. So while it is possible to trade up into the lottery, the drafts you are talking about it isn't going to happen with the assets you are talking about.

Your theory doesn't match reality

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Regardless of the fact we had Nene, and Camby. As I recall Camby was coming off another injury prone season. So let's not put all our stock into that argument. My biggest point though was that myself, and many Nuggets fans in CO, and across the nation were very excited when we got K-Mart, and believed he could hep propel us to another level. As for our Shooting guards at the time, we were actually solid at the time with Jon Barry, and Voshon Lenard. However Jon Barry left the Nuggets for the Rockets the following season. And Voshon got injured the start of that same season. It was the beginning of the down fall at our SG position IMO. Besides I don't think anybody ever thought that K-Mart was our end all be all answer to make the Nuggets a complete team, however we were excited about the signing, and believe he would help us raise the Nuggets game to another level.

nbanoitall

i didnt list all top four or top 3 picks. alexis and walker arent top 3 picks. i did list a bunch of lotto and later round picks. and some lottos like mayo and wright etc could be top 3. i listed guys that will likely go all over the first round, and some in the 2nd round.

my theory isnt on any particular trade or package. the only thing Im basically saying is having 3 draft picks is way better than having Kmart. How to trade or draft is another story. But I assure you I did list guys that will go outside of the lotto. And some that will fall down in the lotto (making a team that has a mid first round pick because they where one a done in the playoffs not that far from the lotto).

my theory is very very simple and very real. draft picks are better than kmart. and i think you basically know this (seeing as i didnt propose a particular trade). Whenever Kmarts name comes up you tend to say nothing makes any sense etc etc. For a guy that thinks George Karl has an agenda, are you sure you dont?

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pac4eva5

jon barry = solid???? lol...sure...

there were other holes, and there were quite a few BIG name free agents...kobe, arenas, manu, etc...yet we had to throw every goddam pick to trade for k??? stupid move and completely not worth it...then AND now!

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Lets try this again. You listed a lot of top 7 guys, as I highlighted before. Yes you have some players that would be later selections, but you also listed a lot of unatainable players. My point about the 2003 draft was that top of the draft was amazing and I just happened to use the first 4 picks as an example. The top of the 2007 and 2008 drafts are lining up to be much better than 2005 or 2006 and much deeper than 2003.

Your theory has a lot of holes in it based upon the big assumptions you're making. Taking 3 picks from the 2005 & 2006 drafts and trying to turn those into 2007 & 2008 picks isn't a very viable idea. Sure you can find all kinds of previous trades that have happened in past drafts, but that doesn't apply when looking at 2007 & 2008. The value you are attempting to place on the 3 picks that were traded away is way off from reality.

You are confusing me stating that a lot of your comments don't make sense to it having anything to do with Kenyon.

Nowhere have I ever said it made sense for Kiki to trade away the 3 draft picks and this is because he never utilized the 2 weeks that it bought him in the free agent market. Instead of waiting out the Nets, he got nervous and pulled the trigger on the S&T. However, lets consider a few things when talking about the value of these picks.

1) The Nuggets were convinced they were headed in the right direction for a championship and already had young players Melo and Nene

2) The Nuggets had 3 picks in the 2005 Draft and a surplus in 2006

3) Kiki didn't want to add more rookies to the team, instead he wanted to veterans.

What the draft picks should have been used for is other trades to bolster the team, i.e. trading for a vet shooting guard.

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What the draft picks should have been used for is other trades to bolster the team, i.e. trading for a vet shooting guard.[/quote]

thats your opinion and not everyones, with the young age of our superstar, carmelo... you can go back and read my posts I actually was ok with trading Camby (with his value being high) for a younger players to put around Carmelo.

My reasoning being guys like Dre and Camby and other guys around or over 30 wont be around (or in their primes) when Carmelo is.

Now Camby and Melo are the guys making us a playoff team thats granted, but at some point in the next couple of years Camby wont be there.

At the time I proposed deals... my favorite being a trade up to get ben gordon... and at the time we did have plenty of pieces to do that deal. Several teams would have listened to that trade. And several teams were willing to give out future first round draft picks too, like say the Orlando Magic.

and i went back and edited my last post to show the ratings currently for the players I listed. They range from top 3 to 2nd rounders

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