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12-08-2006, 01:13 PM
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Allen Iverson?
Today's Denverpost had an article on the Nuggets acquiring AI.
It would be fun to see AI and Melo playing together, but dang, #1 and #2 scorers in the league on the SAME TEAM? How woudl that work?
Also, who would we give up? I love Dre, but I think we'd have to trade Nene and Dre and a draft pick for AI and Samuel Dalembert/Andre Iguoadala.
I think if we could get AI and AI-2, that'd be worth getting rid of Nene and Dre.
What do you think?
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12-08-2006, 01:18 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
i dont think u guys would be AI.
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12-08-2006, 01:19 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.9 minutes
Incoming
Andre Iguodala
6-6 SG from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +31.6 ppg, +4.8 rpg, and +2.3 apg.
Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Andre Iguodala
6-6 SG from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Incoming
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -31.6 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and -2.3 apg.
Due to Denver and Philadelphia being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Denver and Philadelphia had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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12-08-2006, 01:23 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
King may be a idiot but he wont trade both AI1 and AI2
How about this?
Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.9 minutes
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Earl Boykins
5-5 PG from Eastern Michigan
12.6 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 3.8 apg in 25.8 minutes
Incoming
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Kevin Ollie
6-2 PG from Connecticut
2.7 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 15.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.4 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and -3.2 apg.
Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Kevin Ollie
6-2 PG from Connecticut
2.7 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 15.3 minutes
Incoming
Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.9 minutes
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes
Earl Boykins
5-5 PG from Eastern Michigan
12.6 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 3.8 apg in 25.8 minutes
And denver would trade a first or second round pick as well.
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12-08-2006, 01:36 PM
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No no no no no.
that's way too much to give up.
I could see us getting Sam Dalembert out here, too, if AI-2 doesn't get involved.
Word out of PHilly is that AI-2 is not going to resign after this year. Ergo, he's trade bait NOW. If we got both of them, we'd be set. Even if AI-2 left after this year, we'd have free agent $$$ to play with, which would be nice.
Our 3 point woes woudl be gone with JR Smith, AI and AI-2 launching 3's. It'd stretch the D more for our post plays, and Melo plays the best in the post.
I'd hate to see Dre and Nene leave, but this could yield a championship THIS year.
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12-08-2006, 01:42 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
Iverson is only shooting about 22.6% on 3pointers this year.I don't see how that's a solution to anyone's outside shooting problems.
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12-08-2006, 01:42 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
I just dont see them trading Iggy. AI alone is worth a lot. My trade maybe giving too much(personally, I would go for Sammy as well), but in order to get a four time scoring champion who can play either pg or sg, teams need to give more than they want to.  Also, if Iggy does leave, they would want at the very least, a guy with potential and athleticism like him.
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12-08-2006, 01:44 PM
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Iverson is only shooting about 22.6% on 3pointers this year.I don't see how that's a solution to anyone's outside shooting problems.
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Thats why I kept Smith out of my trade.
Personally, we should be aiming for a better back up pg and perhaps another shooter. Im fed up with Boykins.
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12-08-2006, 01:48 PM
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That's why the Ai, Ai-2 trade is perfect. Shooting and PG problems solved.
Ai will go at a discount since he's demanding the trade. He was also benched for tongiht's game. They'd get Nene in return (HUGE upside) and if Dre goes out there, you ahve the league leader in assist/turnover ratio.
It's a win/win on all fronts.
If Philly is rebuilding, dre is the man who can lead the team. nene is a building block, they come out of it better than they are now, too.
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12-08-2006, 03:16 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
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That's why the Ai, Ai-2 trade is perfect. Shooting and PG problems solved.
Ai will go at a discount since he's demanding the trade. He was also benched for tongiht's game. They'd get Nene in return (HUGE upside) and if Dre goes out there, you ahve the league leader in assist/turnover ratio.
It's a win/win on all fronts.
If Philly is rebuilding, dre is the man who can lead the team. nene is a building block, they come out of it better than they are now, too.
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Minus the fact that Iguodala is probably the least likely player on Philadelphia to be traded.
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12-08-2006, 05:28 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
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Iverson is only shooting about 22.6% on 3pointers this year.I don't see how that's a solution to anyone's outside shooting problems.
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outside shooting is not as big of a problem anymore. and hes more of a threat from outside than dre would ever be. with that said, i dont believe scoring is a problem for us considering we are 1st in the nba. we dont really need him...
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12-08-2006, 06:01 PM
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outside shooting is not as big of a problem anymore. and hes more of a threat from outside than dre would ever be. with that said, i dont believe scoring is a problem for us considering we are 1st in the nba. we dont really need him...
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Exactly.
If anything, the number one guy I think should get traded away from Denver is Boykins. I want a back up pg who wont take over 50% of the team's shots when he is on the floor unless his name is Melo!
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12-08-2006, 06:22 PM
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Re: Allen Iverson?
During halftime of the 6ers/Wizards game someone on ESPN (didn't catch who) quoted George Karl as saying the Nuggets are "not interested" in trading for AI. Iverson's definitely leaving Philly, but he's definitely not coming to Denver from the sound of it.
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12-09-2006, 12:40 AM
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