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05-06-2008, 11:19 AM
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Re: Trading for A.I. a mistake?
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More like Jason Kidd or Steve Blake, really. Hinrich isn't a good enough defender against shooting guards. If Livingston was healthy, he'd be another good option.
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hinrich is a better defender than both of those 2 but w/e. hes also a better 3point shooter.
kidd or even nash would be useless paired up with iverson. playmakers need the ball in their hands. but so does selfish iverson. how would that work?
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If Thomas wants to stop people from running up the score on him, then he should have built a better club. He shouldn't have wasted all that money on illogical signings, outrageous trades and heartless characters.
No, Thomas and his guys weren't the only ones in the wrong Saturday. The Nuggets have their own issues. But when it was over, at least they weren't crying, at least they weren't punking.
It's all gone in New York now – the pride, the respect, the dignity. This isn't just a bad team; this is a bad act. A once proud franchise and fan base brought to its knees as its pathetic coach makes excuses and whines for mercy.
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05-07-2008, 02:07 PM
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Re: Trading for A.I. a mistake?
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umm bull****. SG's arent supposed to dribble around for 20 seconds and then force up am off-balance 17 footer.
and if sg really is his "natural position" then that just shows what a ****ing horrible player he is. the only way he can help a team out is if u pair him up with a BIGGER pg? no wonder he never won anything at any level...
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you are a fool my friend? Now your taking your "Hater" tendencies to a whole nother level and calling him a horrible player lol get real dude. How can you say someone who is TOP 10 in assists this year a horrible passer. Oh yah and guess who he finished ahead of this year in assists thats right Andre Miller who a lot of people in Denver and also around the league consider a GREAT passer.
The only thing that is bull**** around here is this constant AI hate parade and trying to use him as a scapegoat every time something goes wrong with this team. The reason this team didnt meet expectations is horrible defense, yes AI is included in that but so is the rest of the team. If people actually watched the damn games AI did a lot more to try to get other ppl the ball then anyone else on the team. Melo sure forced up god near anything when he touched the ball why arent you on his *** too?
Let me answer the question for you because you just love to hate and do it blindly too.
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05-08-2008, 03:44 AM
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Re: Trading for A.I. a mistake?
exactly. besides, AI is 32 years old, he doesn't care about individual awards anymore,he's got them practically all, he wants that ring. Carmelo, JR Smith, Kleiza, etc. are young players who just wanna play, knowing they will be in the league for a decade and will have plenty of chance to get it. 10 years ago Iverson played just like Carmelo plays now, wanting to score on every possession and not willing to pass. He changed a lot though.
I totally agree with you, offense is not big of a problem, defense on the other hand...
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05-08-2008, 08:07 AM
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Re: Trading for A.I. a mistake?
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exactly. besides, AI is 32 years old, he doesn't care about individual awards anymore,he's got them practically all, he wants that ring. Carmelo, JR Smith, Kleiza, etc. are young players who just wanna play, knowing they will be in the league for a decade and will have plenty of chance to get it. 10 years ago Iverson played just like Carmelo plays now, wanting to score on every possession and not willing to pass. He changed a lot though.
I totally agree with you, offense is not big of a problem, defense on the other hand...
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thank you kirov that was very well put.
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05-08-2008, 09:58 AM
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Re: Trading for A.I. a mistake?
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Originally Posted by pac4eva5
umm bull****. SG's arent supposed to dribble around for 20 seconds and then force up am off-balance 17 footer.
and if sg really is his "natural position" then that just shows what a ****ing horrible player he is. the only way he can help a team out is if u pair him up with a BIGGER pg? no wonder he never won anything at any level...
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C'mon, he's not a horrible player. He's an MVP winner and headed for the Hall of Fame.
My contention about Iverson is that he's the hardest superstar to build a contending team around that I've ever seen. He's always been a small combo guard with a ridiculously high usage rate who doesn't score very efficiently and doesn't focus much on man defense. Unless he can be brainwashed out of some of his deeply ingrained bad habits, then his team's management is always going to be searching for just the perfect backcourt mate for him.
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05-08-2008, 05:26 PM
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Re: Trading for A.I. a mistake?
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you are a fool my friend? Now your taking your "Hater" tendencies to a whole nother level and calling him a horrible player lol get real dude. How can you say someone who is TOP 10 in assists this year a horrible passer. Oh yah and guess who he finished ahead of this year in assists thats right Andre Miller who a lot of people in Denver and also around the league consider a GREAT passer.
The only thing that is bull**** around here is this constant AI hate parade and trying to use him as a scapegoat every time something goes wrong with this team. The reason this team didnt meet expectations is horrible defense, yes AI is included in that but so is the rest of the team. If people actually watched the damn games AI did a lot more to try to get other ppl the ball then anyone else on the team. Melo sure forced up god near anything when he touched the ball why arent you on his *** too?
Let me answer the question for you because you just love to hate and do it blindly too.
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stephon marbury averages 10 assists a game. means nothing. when u have the ball in ur hands for 99% of the shot clock/game ur gonna get an assist every now and then. i never judge a player by assists. guys like chauncey never average high assist numbers. and ur andre miller comment is retarded. i dont like dre. maybe u missed my first post in this thread?
and ive never used iverson as a scapegoat. sure, hes a pathetic fit for just about every nba team, but its not his complete fault hes 1-8 in the playoffs. camby is by far our worst player. however both need to go now. ur right, iverson did do the best job at trying to get other people the ball. sad thing is he still sucked at it. he never feeds the hot hand. a good 80% of his passes are bail outs back to camby or AC before iverson steps out of bounds. he is by far the worst guard ive ever seen off the p&r. in fact, players all together stopped rolling. no way they were gonna get it anayway.
u seriously read ONE post and made an entire judgement on me? ive been on melo's selfish *** for a while now. i dont love to hate. i love to win. melo and iverson are two of my favorite players. as long as iverson stays away from my team and melo grows up, i'll be happy...
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If Thomas wants to stop people from running up the score on him, then he should have built a better club. He shouldn't have wasted all that money on illogical signings, outrageous trades and heartless characters.
No, Thomas and his guys weren't the only ones in the wrong Saturday. The Nuggets have their own issues. But when it was over, at least they weren't crying, at least they weren't punking.
It's all gone in New York now – the pride, the respect, the dignity. This isn't just a bad team; this is a bad act. A once proud franchise and fan base brought to its knees as its pathetic coach makes excuses and whines for mercy.
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05-08-2008, 05:29 PM
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Re: Trading for A.I. a mistake?
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Originally Posted by jericho
C'mon, he's not a horrible player. He's an MVP winner and headed for the Hall of Fame.
My contention about Iverson is that he's the hardest superstar to build a contending team around that I've ever seen. He's always been a small combo guard with a ridiculously high usage rate who doesn't score very efficiently and doesn't focus much on man defense. Unless he can be brainwashed out of some of his deeply ingrained bad habits, then his team's management is always going to be searching for just the perfect backcourt mate for him.
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thats exactly what i mean. ive never questioned iverson's talent. he is imo the most naturally talented player ive seen in my life. but he simply doesnt fit the nuggets, or any other team. and since he cant, not even to save his own life, be a PG, the nuggets are stuck with a mismatch all 44 minutes he plays a game.
he could be BETTER than chris paul.
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If Thomas wants to stop people from running up the score on him, then he should have built a better club. He shouldn't have wasted all that money on illogical signings, outrageous trades and heartless characters.
No, Thomas and his guys weren't the only ones in the wrong Saturday. The Nuggets have their own issues. But when it was over, at least they weren't crying, at least they weren't punking.
It's all gone in New York now – the pride, the respect, the dignity. This isn't just a bad team; this is a bad act. A once proud franchise and fan base brought to its knees as its pathetic coach makes excuses and whines for mercy.
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