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Back when I started on this board I used to do some of these posts. Pervious suggestions included....
getting Jerry Stackhouse via the bobcats
trading up for Ben Gordon
Of course Stack was once considered a cancer. And most Nuggets posters didnt want to give up a veteran to move up in the draft to get Gordon. Hindsight is 20/20, Stackhouse had done well in his role with the Mavs, and Gordon turned out very well. But I also would have moved Camby back when we picked up Melo. Now clearly that is not looked at very postively, but I wouldnt have signed Kmart either.
Here is my thoughts on the current state of the team.
Kenyon Martin. The Nuggets wouldnt mind if he didnt have a successful comeback. Insurance would pick up the bill and he'd be gone. If he does come back and play decent it becomes a questions of what team is desperate enough for a big man to take his contract.
Camby and AI. Basically I think both guys are in the same boat. If the Nuggets dont get out of the first round this coming year. Bye, Bye Bye.
Its show or go for JR Smith. Step up defensively along with your offense, and both karl and smith need to work things out.
As a general manager, overall I would have been dissatisfied by the Nuggets offseason moves. I understand the trade for Hunter as backup Camby insurance. Thats cool. But the Nuggets overall have not improved the weakness in the roster. Basically swap Blake or Atkins, and Evans for Hunter.
As for super scrub insurance they go out and get Augmon. Sounds like they arent so sure about Diawara.
My number one off season target would have been Morris Peterson. I'd throw the MLE at him. No guarantee the Nuggets get him, but I think they would have had a pretty darn good shot.
Secondly, I'd have gone after Ime Udoka. He got 2 years two million for the spurs. Less than the LLE. Udoka is everything the Nuggets wish Diawara would be. Not sure what impact he would have on the spurs, but I believe he would have had a big one on the Nuggets.
The only other point Id like to bring up is Marvin Williams Jr. Rumors have been out that he could be available. There was a little rumor going around one time he might end up in Denver. The Nuggets should fully investigate that. Especially after they drafted Horford.
If Demetris Nichols is waived I hope Denver doesnt pass him up.

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I was impressed with Nene his rookie year. He's so athletic we've actually seen him injure himself doing things he really shouldnt be doing. I remember him going down last time because of his crazy penetration move.
Regardless I am still impressed with Nene when he is healthy and on the court. I wouldnt move Nene, Melo, or JR. Those guys appear to be the young core of this team.
Camby and AI on the other hand are not untouchable. I believe Wanker and the front office will give them this season to see how things go
Thats why I'm pushing for Marvin Williams Jr. I really see Nene as the future starting center for the denver nuggets. I think if he plays there he is more likely to play his kind of game and stay out of injury trouble.

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I think if we could get Marvin Williams, he'd totally thrive in our system.
He'd be a long-term fixture in Denver.

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From the way Isiah's been talking, it sounds like Nichols isn't going anywhere. But I think he'd be an ideal fit, splitting minutes with JR at the 2 and playing the 3 when Melo's not on the floor. Any take on Kleiza this season? If Smith really gets buried in the doghouse and he gets some big minute at the 2, I can definitely see him stepping into a role as a consistent forth option on offense (please get Nene some touches this year, Georgie). I'd love to see him put up 12-14 a night, and I've said for the past year that it's only a matter of time before he does. Hope I'm right.

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I don't see Marvin being a very effective SF, though. Maybe in a full-bore, constant running attack, especially given that Anthony can rebound and post up well from his position. But faced with a team like San Antonio or Detroit that excels at controlling the pace, I'm concerned they'd get eaten up alive. Especially if you're talking about a Denver frontline that essentially replaces Camby with Marvin.

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you mean Williams playing PF? The eventual frontline would be Nene, Williams Jr, and Melo.
As I've posted above we have no idea what to expect from Kmart, one thing to bet on with him is injuries. And serious ones at that.He could come back and do ok, but he also could basically be done too.
Camby, well look at his age. If the Nuggets fail to get past the first round, both he and AI are going on the trading block for sure.
The only young core big on the roster is Nene. Adding a talented young big (6'9 235) in Williams would be a great addition.
If Nene can be healthy and play 35 mpg this year. Id predict his stat line 15 ppg 9 to 10 rebounds and a block. Considering the way he played last season.
If Thomas keeps Fred Jones, both Nichols and Houston would have to be waived.

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Marvin Williams was a SG/SF in college, I dont' know if he could handle playing a big in the L.

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yea i wouldnt say he was a shooting guard at UNC, he was more of a combo forward even then, although he was definiately considered a wing player coming into college.
I think he's developed since then. Especially last year. Camby is a center in the league and look how thin he is. I guess I just dont see the match up problem. The suns figure it out with Diaw, we could too. Plus the Nuggets would start forcing teams to adjust their lineups. Williams and Anthony could do serious damage together I think.
anyone want to talk AI trades? My guess for the team that wants him the most is Dallas, especially after that first round loss of their own last year. Assuming they cant pull that crazy kobe trade on AM radio I would assume AI would be a prime target.
I personally have interest in Devin Harris. I cant imagine Dallas giving up Howard or Dirk obviously, but Harris I could see. I dont see that trade being available until december when they can trade Stackhouse.

Jose Barea 6-0 PG from Northeastern 2.4 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 5.8 minutes
	Devin Harris 6-3 PG from Wisconsin 10.2 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.1 minutes
	Jerry Stackhouse 6-6 SG from North Carolina 12.0 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.8 apg in 24.1 minutes
	Jason Terry 6-2 PG from Arizona 16.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.2 apg in 35.2 minutes

Outgoing Players
	Chucky Atkins 5-11 PG from South Florida 13.2 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 4.6 apg in 27.6 minutes
	Allen Iverson 6-0 PG from Georgetown 26.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 7.2 apg in 42.5 minutes

Dallas Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.8 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and -0.6 apg.

Incoming Players
	Chucky Atkins 5-11 PG from South Florida 13.2 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 4.6 apg in 27.6 minutes
	Allen Iverson 6-0 PG from Georgetown 26.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 7.2 apg in 42.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
	Jose Barea 6-0 PG from Northeastern 2.4 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 5.8 minutes
	Devin Harris 6-3 PG from Wisconsin 10.2 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.7 apg in 26.1 minutes
	Jerry Stackhouse 6-6 SG from North Carolina 12.0 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.8 apg in 24.1 minutes
	Jason Terry 6-2 PG from Arizona 16.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.2 apg in 35.2 minutes

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So, you're basically taking crack, right?

AI and Chucky Atkins for Devin Harris, two post-prime aging hipsters, and filler?

If we trade AI I'd assume it'd be for high draft pix and a proven scorer a la Ray Allen.

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What did the Nuggets give up for AI? Look at all the major players that got traded around the league. AI, Shaq, Garnett etc
I mean sure add a first round pick to it from dallas.... im sure it would be a late one.
Stackhouse is clearly post prime. But he would be nice to have around to split time with JR Smith.
Jason Terry on the other hand is still in his prime by my estimation (he's impressed me since he has been in dallas). He's 30 now a year or two younger than Andre Miller.
Speaking of Devin Harris, his style of play fits what the Nuggets are looking for in a PG. The plus to it is he would be around for a long time too. He has all star potiental.
Ray Allen and a high first round pick. See thats something that just not possible. The boston celtics arent going to lose. Its going to be teams looking to win a championship that trade for AI.
Moving an aging AI for an aging Ray Allen is what wouldnt make sense. Same goes for Camby, no reason to trade one old man for another.

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As for the Dallas trade, it's a B- trade for the Nuggets. I think they would get a little better just from moving the ball around more, but from all reports, AI has had an extraordinary locker room effect that none of those players parallels.

For Dallas, i don't know. They need somebody like AI: a go-to score who's clutch and steps up playoff time. On the other hand, AI dribbles a little too much. But Dirk would be really great for AI's pick and fade game, and again, it takes away from Dallas' depth alot.... it's just hard to predict.

As an AI fan, I wouldn't really mind seeing it, but I'm not really sure it's even worth the effort.

idk if the contracts add up though.

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