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Old 05-05-2008, 11:12 AM   #91 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say Pippen led his team to a title. He was a solid number 2 guy, like Erving in '83.

I'd say Bird is the exception to your rule. Also Rick Barry.
solid number 2-that's just your point of view.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:15 AM   #92 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say Pippen led his team to a title. He was a solid number 2 guy, like Erving in '83.

I'd say Bird is the exception to your rule. Also Rick Barry.
haha, a solid number 2?
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Old 05-05-2008, 12:08 PM   #93 (permalink)
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solid number 2-that's just your point of view.
Sure, but I'm not the only one who holds it. Would you say that Pippen was the player most responsible for those Bulls titles?
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haha, a solid number 2?

Okay, I'll upgrade that to "phenomenal number 2"...but a second banana nonetheless. I was responding to the previous opinion that small forwards don't lead teams to titles. I would say that Pippen didn't, although he certainly had a huge role in that Chicago dynasty. Bird and Barry did.
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Old 05-05-2008, 01:36 PM   #95 (permalink)
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theres no knee jerk reaction. i waited patiently for 5 years.
PG's and C's are the most important pieces to a team. we are pathetic at both spots...
it is a knee jerk reaction to another first round loss. Instead of building the team correctly, you want to blow it up. All 5 spots are important 1 thru 5. Trading the "MVP of the World" is loco.
I read an idea about sending Kmart for Marcus Williams, Swift, and Hassell. there is a point guard.... as for a center.... draft or trade. trade the vets... keep melo. id even try and re-sign jr smith. I like both Tinsely and JO from the Pacers as well (yes I recognize the risk)
I really could see Marcus Williams having a breakout year for the Nuggets next year.
At least go after the right pieces and give melo a decent chance. The Nuggets didn't have one guy on the roster that could even attempt to stay with Kobe. Salmons would have been a great option to put on him. The front office screwed up. Trading Melo is loco.
I'd still like to get Salmons.
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well for one, luis scola was the MVP, so that hurts ur argument a ton. its very easy for a guy like melo to dominate internationally. if they threw a double team to him, it would be a different story, however nobody is gonna leave dwight, kobe, lebron, paul, etc. open. melo is completely perfect for team usa. playoff basketball is a different story.

two, john salmons? are u serious? do u realize how important he is to the kings? who the hell would we give up? nothing short of camby. i live in sac. nobody here wants him traded for ****ty guys. and they have a plethora of sg and sf so we have nothing to offer.

three, ive never been that serious about melo being traded simply because it wont happen. but if i had my way, id swap melo for darrick rose w/o hesitation. name a solid PG in the league who didnt make it to the playoffs? hinrich and devin harris, and both of those guys have excuses. what i have been serious with is camby and iverson. they are MUST GO's.
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Sure, but I'm not the only one who holds it. Would you say that Pippen was the player most responsible for those Bulls titles?

which responsibility are you talking about? responsibility to score 30+ every game? responsibility to take the last shot? responsibility to be a team player? responsibility to rebound? responsibility to play defense? responsibility to assist and distribute the ball? responsibility to pump your teammates prior to the game? responsibility to block shots? responsibility to play 40+ minutes every game?....
Pippen wasn't responsible to score 30+ every game, does that make him number 2? no. He wasn't responsible to take the last shot, does that make him number 2? No. He worked his *** off on defense, (make no mistake, Jordan was also a great, great defender) does that make him number 1? No.
They were a team, in every good sense of the word that's why they did what they did.
I think it's just the fact that Michael Jordan was the greatest but he was also a good businessman, he knows how to sell (just write in youtube ''Michael Jordan commercial'' and then '' Scottie Pippen commercial'') and that's the reason why spectators changed their point of view when the dynasty was over and the strongest name that stayed in memory was of course Jordan's.
I don't want to take anything away from Jordan, nevertheless who am I to talk like this, it just makes me sick when people talk about Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls and that's it. Comparing that to current Lebron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers it's just a slap in the face for Pippen, Rodman, etc.
I liked the ''phenomenal number 2'' part, nice touch though...
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pippen is a solid 33% responsible for the 6 rings.
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pippen is a solid 33% responsible for the 6 rings.
jordan was a mere 23%, now if they only had Shaq...
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