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darkballa

1. Melo
2. Bron
3. Wayde
4. Bosh

WHy

lets compare shall we?\

Bron
20.9 ppg
5.5 rpg
5.9 apg
.73 bpg
1.65 spg
.417 FG%
29% 3fg%
.754 ft%

Melo
21.0 ppg
6.1 rpg
2.8 apg
1.18 spg
.5 bpg
.426%
.777 FT%
.322 3fg&

Nuggs-43 wins Cavs- 35 wins

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Bron's numbers are better than anthony's to a VERY slight extent. but the nuggs are in the playoffs and thats what rookie of the year is about, can you make your lottery team an improved team and bring htem into playoff contention? after all thats about half the reasons there's a draft right?

Jordan23

Great post I'm in 100 perecent agreement with you. Carmelo Anthony is the real rookie of the year. And all the Lebron people will just say you had a better team so you are in the playoffs. Its laughable because Andre Miller was sent to a pretty good LA Clippers team that almost made the playoffs the year before and he didnt make any huge impact on his team. And all the other pieces were in Denver when they had the 17 win dreadful season. Nene, Camby,White,etc Carmelo Anthony is what made the difference. But the reason Lebron people will never admit that is because it than weakens their argument for Lebron to be rookie of the year. And what ever the difference between the Nuggets and Cavs is negated by the fact the Nuggets play in the west.

Bottom line Carmelo Anthony is the real rookie of the year.

The OUTLAW

I think that Carmello is one heck of a player and is very deserving of the ROY award in just about every year other than this one. I think that LeBron was just the better overally player. While I could understand a co-roy vote the way that the voting is set up I'd have to say that LeBron is more deserving. While Carmello had the same team during the preseason and all year to get used to playing with LeBron had two major changes during the season that both changed his position as well as his responsibilties. He made the necessary adjustments and each time his play and that of the team improved. The team did fade at the end while McInnis was injured (which was actually compounded by the injuries to Battie and Williams). I don't think that can be attributed to the play of LeBron he showed more composure than most veterans during such a trying time.

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Jordan23

I'm so tired of the excuses. The only job these guys have is to win basketball games. Every player on the CAVS are in the NBA and are professionals. Stop making excuses. Thats why I like Kevin Garnet no matter how many times they been abused in the 1st round he gives the other team props regardless of his own ego. You either win or lose. You have to do the best with what you have. And as I already stated the difference in the teams of the Nuggets and Cavs is negated by the fact the Nuggets go up against much more fierce compettion all season. In My opinion the nuggetes over achieved and the Cavs under achieved. In the east with teams going to the playoffs with loseing records or even records and you say the cavs over achieved ? thats a pathetic prescedent to set for team. And I'm not taking anything away from Lebron James but the over all numbers in my opinion are better than Lebron James. And We all really know why Lebron James won the rookie of the year its becasue he was already voted rookie of the year before the season started. He lived up to the media hype . To me that doesnt cut it. The numbers and what your team accomplished. Its a combination of those two things in my opinion. Not what the hype and media say. Oh well Carmelo Anythony is the real rookie of the year.

The OUTLAW

I am not making excuses, as I've already stated I think that Carmello is a very good player and almost as deserving of the award as LeBron. But, I will tell you flat out that I believe that LeBron should be rookie of the year. I just believe that he is the better player.

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Jordan23

Thats great you think that but Lebron James doesnt. I take his opinion for what it is far more than anyone on this message board that doesnt actually play in the NBA.

The OUTLAW

Oh I'm sorry did LeBron say that Carmello was more deserving of the ROY than he was? I somehow missed that. I think what you are alluding to is that LeBron said that he expected it to be shared between he and Carmello. This I think would have been fair as well, but truth be told if there were only one person that I could have voted for it would have been LeBron (and evidently the people that actually voted felt the same).

At this point this is just water under the bridge. LeBron is ROY and thats it. You can feel that Carmello was shunned or whatever, it won't ever change that fact. I'm over it and you should be working on that as well.

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Jordan23

Again Lebron James shows his intelligence over his fan base. The guy Lebron that won. Said on national television TNT that he assumed that him and his buddy Carmelo Anthony would both win the award.

Lebron James also said that he was impressed by Carmelos play and he played better than he even imagined. Anthony and James had the same stats over all even rookies. If there was ever a year to have a co rookie of the year this was it. Steve Kerr Also said the same thing last night during the Nuggets game. I think Lebron James, Steve Kerr know a lot more about what actually goes on the basketball court than you or any other Lebron James fans and any reporters and journalists etc

Over it ? hell no its called protesting and I will always protest because Anthony did as much as James by numbers and stats and he did more with his team than James did.

Carmelo Anthony is the real rookie of the year no doubt about it. Lebron James won on hype alone. Everyone says oh man nobody has ever faced this kind of hype. well no kidding. Times are changing , Michael Jordan, and Kareem Abdul Jabar came in to the game generations ago. The media was different than the celebrity of athletes were different the endorsements were differnet. Everything has exploded since than (thanx to Michael Jordan) anyway point is Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James and any other great kid coming up only know the world they live in. These kids relish the bright lights. They love the celebrity, the endorsements. This so called living up to the hype and excpectations is all these guys have known their whole lives. Its nothing at all its not preassure to them. Preassure to them is trying to get wins on the NBA court. The whole hype thing is over bloated media BS that they use to anchor their vote for Lebron James. I dont buy it and I know Carmelo Anthony and Lebron James sit back together and laugh that you all think getting endorsements, getting movie roles, rap roles commericals etc is preassure on them.

Nobody is taking anything away from what Lebron James did this year but Carmelo Anthony did everything James did. And got his team in the playoffs in the strongest confrence in the NBA. How the hell The Cavs didnt get in the east is pathetic in my opinion. You have teams Like Boston Celtics in for gods sake. Anybody that says the Cavs are not as good of a team as the Nuggets is negated by the fact the Nuggets play the very best all year long . We dont get those huge long breaks like the Cavs did playing below 500 or aveage teams. We get all the teams in the WEST 4 times that is MAJOR because the WEST is so much better on a WHOLE than the EAST. The East has maybe 2 teams that could actually contend for a championship but uhh thats if anyone can beat the nets when it counts.

Carmelo Anthony You Are The Real Rookie Of The Year No Doubt About It.

jamalcrawford01

now, i personally like melo better and i think if one person had to win then it should have been HINRICH!!!! just kidding i think it should have been melo, bron n melos stats were just about the same but bron had more assts. which is because he played pg in the beggining of the season and when he moved to sg his assts went down. melo was a better scorer , shooter, and rebounder. and yes i think because melo got his team to the playoofs he should have won. and both teams had good supporting casts so i dont see a argument there. the team turnaround went to the nugz and they made the playoffs. the whole thing about they lost jeffery you cant really make as an excuse because who is to say he would have played well he could have gone cold and not made a difference, or he could have helped fact is no one knows so leave that point alone. and when a player gets injured players are supposed to step up and play big. fact is no one on the cavs did and when it counted carmelo did. the game he played against portland where he hit the game tieing shot and took over in ot was basically the season on the line. carmelo stepped up. i do think bron won it on hype. just my personal opinion. congrats to bron though!!

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Nevus

When LeBron switched to shooting guard, he averaged 5.5 assists for the rest of the season. So you can't discount that. Besides, since when does playing multiple positions for a team depending on team need make a guy less valuable instead of more?

LeBron did have a game like the Denver-Portland game where the season was on the line and he stepped up and won the game. He scored the team's final 8 points in the last two minutes, including a big steal and four points in the final half minute to bring them back from down 1.

The difference is that the Cavs still fell one game short... but not because he wasn't stepping up. Sometimes it's not enough.

DJRaz

wow this argument never ends. i had a bunch of friends attack me for the 'scam' that was lebron getting the ROY. that's what i take issue with. no one hates on carmello, everyone says he's good if not great, says he did one hell of a job helping his team to the playoffs. even lebron said he'd trade the trophy for a playoff berth. but it's not a scam to have a 20-5-5 rookie win ROY.

imagine a table with only three rookies in the history of the game at it, all others are excluded. this table is for dynamic all-around players, rookies that achieved what is the pre-cursor to a career full of triple doubles. it's the 20-5-5 table and big O has had his seat reserved since the 60's. another guy who went to a crap team and started to turn the franchise around also has a seat there, you might have heard of him. his name is mike and we all wanted to be like him. we all wanted a seat at that table.

so the best numbers guy ever and the G.O.A.T. are sitting there and a new rookie gets to join them. not carmello, wade, bosh, t-mac, kobe, ai, vince, duncan, bird, magic, or any other highly talented rookie over the years. it's lebron. 20-5-5, 21-6-5 if you round fairly. to discount this is to show your ignorance.

the stats argument is a fun one because it's so close. i personally like the nba efficiency rating because it lines up almost exactly with the player skill ranking i have. it's no fluke that lebron is in the top 20 overall and the highest rated rookie there. (fyi - carmello is 2nd for rookies, and in the 30's overall). lebron simply has the ability to do every single thing on a basketball court and sometimes does in flourishes.

going by raw numbers, i group stats into the big 4, and the little 4:

big 4 - points, assists, rebounds, and shooting percentage
small 4 - steals, blocks, turnovers, and fouls

the big 4 are the things you build around, things that are bedrocks for the game plan. people get paid big bucks to deliver here. the small 4 are the flavor, the intelligence, the little things that make your coaches and teammates love you. so let's score the teenagers:

BIG 4:
Points - statistically even (carmello with a .1 edge)
Assists - lebron with a huge edge (3.1)
Rebounds - carmello with tiny edge (.6)
Percentage- carmello with decent edge (1%FG, 3% 3P, 3%FT)
SMALL 4:
Steals - lebron with .5 edge
Blocks - lebron with .2 edge
Turnovers - carmello with .5 less
Fouls - lebron with .5 less

straight up, these numbers are just about a dead heat minus the assists. if you try to explain away the assists by saying he's a guard, where are carmello's big advantages in rebounds and blocks?

let's do a positional adjustment. not just guard verse forward stuff, but looking at the whole team. denver has a completely new starting lineup from last year. they have had that lineup steady and secure all year, including training camp. carmello started the same position every game all year. that is very good for him, this is a good environment. this team won 26 or so more games this year than last. great improvement, great GM moves. carmello is an integral part of an interesting young denver team

the cavs went through two major trades and started about 15 different lineups. lebron started at the 1 & 2, and played some 3 in small doses. they even had him at the 4 for a couple minutes due to foul troubles. the cavs did some rebuilding but in phases throughout the year, and not as dramatically as denver. Z, boozer, miles, and ricky davis all started last year and won 17 games. lebron replaced ricky 20 games in and the celts came in as good role players. mcinnis came in for miles midway through. this final lineup went 21-18 (6 of those losses without mcinnis). i'm not blaming injuries but you can't deny that the healthy 5 starters went 21-12 after the midseason shakeup. BUT ROY is not a team award, i only show this to counter some of the playoff talk with regards to carmello. the nugs were in 8th seed by 1 game, the cavs were out of 8th seed by 1 game.

what about the H-Y-P-E ?!? what an abused word. remember when the hype = a target on his back? the biggest target ever. remember the commercials and the comments some all-stars made about how they are gonna take it to lebron? hype is complex and double-edged and is a useless concept in this debate. hype was there, most deserving, some ridiculous, and he probably increased the hype once he started playing. but that's just it, the hype became fact. michael jordan was hyped well before he actually lived up to it. and he did eventually, in fact he surpassed it. the hype had to be rewritten. explain to me how the hype for jordan somehow made him less of a player. just ask mars blackman about mike's hype. just ask mike, i mean nike.

anyway, i gotta stop. it's over, carmello is in the playoffs and hopefully learning a lot. 1 for 16 after talking serious trash is embarrassing but it happens. could be one of the bigger eggs layed by such a hyped rookie. lebron is at home wishing he was in the playoffs while putting the trophy up in his new pad.

i hope we see 2006 finals cleveland verse denver.

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aboveallodds24

melo should win the roy award. he took a team that hasnt been in the playoffs since 1994 into the 1st round in the hardest division of all time. i mean you have the wolves, lakers, spurs, kings, mavs, rockets, grizzles and of corse the nuggets. if any team in the west coast could pull the upset it would be melos team the nuggets.

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mello should win
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