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Old 07-25-2005, 11:52 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Jasikevicius to sign with Indiana

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My point exactly. He's not going to play.
Jasikevicius is going to learn from Carlisle the same way Artest did.


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Jermaine has. The Jones's? Come on. Tinsley has proven that he can jack up a hell of a lot of shots. That's about it.
Freddie scored 30+ points against the Magic the game after everyone was suspended. He hit so many clutch shots and almost lead a team of 6 players to victory. When we had him as our #1 or #2 option, he made big plays almost every time we needed them, and when he was demoted to a role player, he still hit some clutch 3's. James Jones hit 2 FT's at the end of games twice this season. If he had missed just one, we would've blown both games. He's also nailed a few 3's when we needed them. Before Tinsley injured his foot, he was becoming a pretty clutch player. He'd also hit 3's with a few seconds left on the shot clock when we were down a few points, and one game I remember he drove into the lane and hit a jumper which won us the game.

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Dale Davis has no value whatsoever.
Dale Davis played better than Jeff Foster last season. He was the 3rd best shot blocker on our team behind Harrison and Jermaine, and can still get up to block a shot once it's left a player's hand. He can hit a 12 foot jumpshot when left wide much like Pollard or Foster, but is a more consistant rebounder.

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David Harrison... maybe he could do something, but so far all he's done is sit next to Bender.
Harrison actually played the majority of the season before he needed surgery. I think he scored 22 points one game. He's a threat in the post with equal or better shot blocking skills than Jermaine O'Neal.

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n't have anybody who creates from the spot and with Reggie out, nobody who moves off the ball.
Look for James Jones to fill that role.

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If James Jones gets on the floor it means someone is hurt.
He'll get some decent minutes as a 3rd stringer SG and SF, with some occasional PF minutes.

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Danny Granger could answer a lot of these question areas. Or he could sit on the bench the whole season like Carlisle did with Prince. I think he's going to be a very good player. But you never know with Rick.
If Danny Granger doesn't get many minutes, Carlisle is going to get some heat from Larry Bird. Much like Jasikevicius, Bird loves this guy. Unlike Detroit, Granger has two legitimate SF's ahead of him and will have to work from 3rd string from Day One. Eventually he'll probably he seeing 15-20 mpg playing ahed of James Jones at the 3.
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Old 07-26-2005, 09:09 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Yes, I think Ben Wallace is a good defender. He's not as good at post defending as he is shot blocking, but I definately prefer shot blockers over people who steal the ball any day. I'd much rather have Jeff Foster or Scot Pollard guard a post player than Ben Wallace, but I'd rather Ben Wallace block shots than Foster or Pollard. Filling a stat sheet doesn't make you a bad defender, but there are some pretty bad defenders who do fill stat sheets.
Filling a stat sheet doesn't mean AI just getting a bunch of steals. I am talking steals, blocks, and rebounds. If a player excels in all three of those, odds are he is pretty good defender...
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:14 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: Jasikevicius to sign with Indiana

I think Indiana's gonna be the #1 seed in the EC this year and they're gonna be in the Finals with SA. Indy's improved a lot. Jermaine has improved since the 2003-2004 season. Now Indy has Stephen Jackson instead of Harrington who just played a position where the Pacers already have great players. The Jones' are now ready to contribute and add to Indiana's depth. Now they got Danny Granger and David Harrison. Jamaal played only 52 games that season but now they have Sarunas. IMO, he can be good in the NBA if he can light up some of the NBA's best players like he did in the Olympics.

No offense to Detroit fans but you guys are a lot better with Larry Brown and Detroit won't be as good this season. They will have to adjust under Flip. Rasheed's getting older. You guys haven't made many moves and your roster is not improving much while everyone's improving very fast.

Miami will be the 2nd seed and will lose in ECF. Shaq is getting older, and getting more injuries which will affect the Heat during the regular season and especially the playoffs. But Shaq is still a dominant player when healthy. He takes up a lot of cap space and Miami will probably not improve much this year. But a team with Shaq will always make damage in the playoffs.
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Re: Jasikevicius to sign with Indiana

Was it we got a lot better with Larry Brown or a lot better with Rasheed Wallace? Last I checked Larry had no better record with the Pistons then Carisle did when Rasheed wasn't playing.
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Well you gotta consider playoffs too. You guys were like the clutchest team these past two years. Larry Brown really had something to do with that with his plays during crunch time.
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Well you gotta consider playoffs too. You guys were like the clutchest team these past two years. Larry Brown really had something to do with that with his plays during crunch time.
When we won he coached very well but look at this years playoff team. We had more overall talent yet he over simplified the defense. We gave up full court pressing and half court traping which lead to our defense not scoring as many points as we could have. LB did a great job during the championship run but after last season I think Flip could do just as good.
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Re: Jasikevicius to sign with Indiana

Not accusing you of anything, but you are gonna miss the calls you get from the respect of Larry Brown...Flip doesn't have the same standing and pull with refs like Larry did, and that's something that can help alot in the long run...
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Not accusing you of anything, but you are gonna miss the calls you get from the respect of Larry Brown...Flip doesn't have the same standing and pull with refs like Larry did, and that's something that can help alot in the long run...
If I have to have more fouls called and use more players but I don't have to hear about our coach trying to find a new job between games, I would be perfectly happy with that.
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Filling a stat sheet doesn't mean AI just getting a bunch of steals. I am talking steals, blocks, and rebounds. If a player excels in all three of those, odds are he is pretty good defender...
I don't normally see many players who excel in shot blocking and/or stealing as good defenders...well, mostly on the perimeter. It just means that they probably gamble way too much, and give up more possessions than a player who just plays his man. In the case of an interior weakside shot blocker like Ben Wallace who isn't as good at playing man-to-man defense as he is shot blocking, it's easier to consider him a better defender because he keeps players he doesn't play from scoring.

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Was it we got a lot better with Larry Brown or a lot better with Rasheed Wallace? Last I checked Larry had no better record with the Pistons then Carisle did when Rasheed wasn't playing.
Carlisle > Brown
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I don't normally see many players who excel in shot blocking and/or stealing as good defenders...well, mostly on the perimeter. It just means that they probably gamble way too much, and give up more possessions than a player who just plays his man. In the case of an interior weakside shot blocker like Ben Wallace who isn't as good at playing man-to-man defense as he is shot blocking, it's easier to consider him a better defender because he keeps players he doesn't play from scoring.
A perimeter defender with a lot of blocks is only gambling if he leaves his feet to make the block. As any good coach would tell you, a great block is one in which the defender never has to jump. A guy like Ak47 or Prince can accumlate blocks without gambling due to their size and length. Which are two things any good defender should have.

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Carlisle > Brown
I would give the advantage to Brown during the game itself by not by that much.
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