Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
Darko Milicic for Al Harrington is a damn good deal for Detroit. End of story.
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Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
If Harrington is offered for Darko the Pistons better take it and run before the Hawks come to their senses.
Harrington is not a 4 in a 3's body. He is a very capable SF in the Williamson mold. He would be an excellent change of pace from Prince off the bench. As an added plus he is a better defender then Williamson ever was. He is capable of defending the 2,3 and 4 positions at above average success.
His toughness and enthusiasm would be a great intangible coming off the Pistons bench.
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With him playing at the 3 teams that play small players on the wing (Miami, SA) would have fits trying to match up with him (something that Williamson brought that many overlooked).
Bowen would not be able to concentrate on Rip and/ or Billups because that would mean that Harrington would be destroying Ginobili in the post. His presence would force the opposition (SA in particular) to make some tough decisions.
Decisions like:
- Play Bowen on him (which is a tough cover even for Bowen) and allow Rip to operate against Ginobili.
- Sit Bowen or Ginobili and play Horry extended minutes at SF (to defend him).
...This type of distortion that Harrington would provide is just too good to pass up (IMO). If Dumars were to pass such an acquisition up I would seriously begin to question his GM abilities.
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As a side note SA is also interested in Harrington for Rasho. If they make that happen next season’s championship is a rap.
Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by The Enigma
If Harrington is offered for Darko the Pistons better take it and run before the Hawks come to their senses.
Harrington is not a 4 in a 3's body. He is a very capable SF in the Williamson mold. He would be an excellent change of pace from Prince off the bench. As an added plus he is a better defender then Williamson ever was. He is capable of defending the 2,3 and 4 positions at above average success.
His toughness and enthusiasm would be a great intangible coming off the Pistons bench.
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With him playing at the 3 teams that play small players on the wing (Miami, SA) would have fits trying to match up with him (something that Williamson brought that many overlooked).
Bowen would not be able to concentrate on Rip and/ or Billups because that would mean that Harrington would be destroying Ginobili in the post. His presence would force the opposition (SA in particular) to make some tough decisions.
Decisions like:
- Play Bowen on him (which is a tough cover even for Bowen) and allow Rip to operate against Ginobili.
- Sit Bowen or Ginobili and play Horry extended minutes at SF (to defend him).
...This type of distortion that Harrington would provide is just too good to pass up (IMO). If Dumars were to pass such an acquisition up I would seriously begin to question his GM abilities.
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As a side note SA is also interested in Harrington for Rasho. If they make that happen next season’s championship is a rap.
So your comparing Harrington to Corliss? And Corliss has been the perfect example of a 4 in a 3s body his whole career....
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Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by kamego
So your comparing Harrington to Corliss? And Corliss has been the perfect example of a 4 in a 3s body his whole career....
Harrington is better than Corliss, and I don't even think it's close. Harrington can probaly score better (Corliss's strength) and their defensive abilities aren't even close.
Besides Artest, Harrington was our toughest cover when we played Indiana, the guy is a matchup disaster for the other team. You will not be able to cover him with a three, and a four is more than likely to small. He's a better version of Corliss (the player we missed the most) and I really don't see why we'd pass this deal up.
Since Joe D. knows S.A. is offering just Rasho maybe he is holding out for more, but if we can get Harrington, I'd be fine with that.
Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by kamego
So your comparing Harrington to Corliss? And Corliss has been the perfect example of a 4 in a 3s body his whole career....
What type of analysis as to why he would not benefit the Pistons can you bring to the table?
No offence but you rub me as one of the multitudes of Darko lackeys (please correct me if I am wrong) who allow their blind faith in this player to take precedence over even what is in the Pistons best interest (as a team).
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Some way some how I suspect that the Darkoholics would find a way to complain about Darko being shipped for Duncan.
I can see it now:
- Duncan is old (on his last legs)...
- Darko will be the future of the league...
- Dumars gave up on Darko to early...
- etc...
Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by CJ
Harrington is better than Corliss, and I don't even think it's close. Harrington can probaly score better (Corliss's strength) and their defensive abilities aren't even close.
Besides Artest, Harrington was our toughest cover when we played Indiana, the guy is a matchup disaster for the other team. You will not be able to cover him with a three, and a four is more than likely to small. He's a better version of Corliss (the player we missed the most) and I really don't see why we'd pass this deal up.
Since Joe D. knows S.A. is offering just Rasho maybe he is holding out for more, but if we can get Harrington, I'd be fine with that.
When we played him while he was in Indy we didn't have Prince flying as high as we do now and now Rasheed also. I don't think it would have been as big of problem today but thats beside the point.
I just think we have a bigger need at the 2/3 spot then the 3/4. It doesn't sound like much of a differance but behind Rip we really don't have anyone outside of Delfino and he's beyond shakey at this point. Our best bet if Rip ever went down would be to move Prince to 2 or Billups to 2. I just think this a huge need, we have a lot of guys who could play the 3 if we went big (Prince, Sheed, Maxiell).
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Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by The Enigma
What type of analysis as to why he would not benefit the Pistons can you bring to the table?
No offence but you rub me as one of the multitudes of Darko lackeys (please correct me if I am wrong) who allow their blind faith in this player to take precedence over even what is in the Pistons best interest (as a team).
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Some way some how I suspect that the Darkoholics would find a way to complain about Darko being shipped for Duncan.
I can see it now:
- Duncan is old (on his last legs)...
- Darko will be the future of the league...
- Dumars gave up on Darko to early...
- etc...
He would have a short term payoff yes but
1) I believe we could get more from trading Darko (someone who can backup at the 2/3 spot)
2) He's an FA at years end as is Ben Wallace and Prince (cap trouble? if we want to keep him)
3) Do we really want to give up on Darko at this point? After seeing how upset Portland fans are about JO still?
4) Maxiell is already a big 3 and I would rather keep Darko and let Maxiell develop (Maxiell has his head in the game and hustles better then Harrington in my eyes)
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Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by kamego
When we played him while he was in Indy we didn't have Prince flying as high as we do now and now Rasheed also. I don't think it would have been as big of problem today but thats beside the point.
He was still in Indy during our title run and he gave us fits. Besides he put up 36 points on us this past season. Rasheed did put up 28 and Tayshaun 31, but the offensive abilites are there.
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I just think we have a bigger need at the 2/3 spot then the 3/4. It doesn't sound like much of a differance but behind Rip we really don't have anyone outside of Delfino and he's beyond shakey at this point. Our best bet if Rip ever went down would be to move Prince to 2 or Billups to 2. I just think this a huge need, we have a lot of guys who could play the 3 if we went big (Prince, Sheed, Maxiell).
It's really not that big of a difference and you could easily move Prince to the 2 with Harrington in the fold.
Billups/Arroyo/Hunter
Hamilton/Delfino
Prince/Harrington/Maxiell/Dupree
Wallace/Dice/
Wallace
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Acker, Jenkins, Johnson
Now we'd probaly have to add another big man along the way, but that's the three we pretty much went with all year last year. Our big man "depth" wasn't even put to use last year. And with zone defense being a focus for us next year, along with trapping, someone with Al's versatility and defensive abilities would be welcomed.
I don't understand the point of holding on to a guy who hasn't played and probaly won't play next year whe you have a 18 and 7 guy sitting right in front of you.
Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by CJ
He was still in Indy during our title run and he gave us fits. Besides he put up 36 points on us this past season. Rasheed did put up 28 and Tayshaun 31, but the offensive abilites are there.
It's really not that big of a difference and you could easily move Prince to the 2 with Harrington in the fold.
Billups/Arroyo/Hunter
Hamilton/Delfino
Prince/Harrington/Maxiell/Dupree
Wallace/Dice/
Wallace
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Acker, Jenkins, Johnson
Now we'd probaly have to add another big man along the way, but that's the three we pretty much went with all year last year. Our big man "depth" wasn't even put to use last year. And with zone defense being a focus for us next year, along with trapping, someone with Al's versatility and defensive abilities would be welcomed.
I don't understand the point of holding on to a guy who hasn't played and probaly won't play next year whe you have a 18 and 7 guy sitting right in front of you.
I don't like the idea of trading Darko for a guy we may only get for one season since of the cap.
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Re: Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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Originally Posted by kamego
When we played him while he was in Indy we didn't have Prince flying as high as we do now and now Rasheed also. I don't think it would have been as big of problem today but thats beside the point.
I recall Harrington giving Prince trouble at SF this season.
21.7 PPG, 3.7 APG, 3.3 rpg, 1.7 spg... on 56% shooting. That is what Harrington averaged verses Prince/ Rasheed and the Pistons last season.
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I just think we have a bigger need at the 2/3 spot then the 3/4. It doesn't sound like much of a differance but behind Rip we really don't have anyone outside of Delfino and he's beyond shakey at this point. Our best bet if Rip ever went down would be to move Prince to 2 or Billups to 2. I just think this a huge need, we have a lot of guys who could play the 3 if we went big (Prince, Sheed, Maxiell).
If Harrington is acquired through trade (for Milicic and Arroyo I presume) that would leave the full mid level exception available for the acquisition of such a player (perhaps a more natural outside shooting back up SG or a combo guard capable of playing the 1 and 2)…
Dumars to Knight - Darko for Al Harrington : (link)
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