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**ChrisWoj** · 01-24-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Mao

Hey,
Look, I think everyone in the league is know fully aware that if Darko succeeds, it won't be with Detroit. The guy seems to hate the Pistons orginization for having to sit on the bench for the past few seasons. I understand why he has been on the bench, because the team is competing for championships every year, but never in the history of #2 picks has one of them had to sit on the bench for his first two seasons.

So here is my idea, maybe not what you're looking for but give me some feedback, let me know:

TO sends
Mike James, Jalen Rose, Morris Peterson, Rafael Araujo, Denver 1st, TO 2nd
Receives
Penny Hardaway, Darko, Nate Robinson

Detroit Sends
Darko, Arroyo
Receives
MoPete, Mike James, Araujo, TO 2nd

Why for Detroit? MoPete gives you a solid backup at the 2/3 position who plays good defence and can shoot the 3 really well, roughly the same salary as Arroyo but shorter deal. Mike James gives you a great backup point who can get hot really fast and plays good d. Araujo gives you a big body underneath for whatever minutes might be available, he's on rookie contract for a year longer than Darko and he'd probably re-sign with Detroit, something that Darko won't do. Detroit can re-sign James if they want or deal him in a S&T. They get a high second round pick, which they can maybe use on a Euro prospect and let him develop there rather than bring in a late first rounder and have him sit on the bench and not play while collecting a paycheck.

NY sends
Hardaway, Robinson
Receives
Jalen Rose, Arroyo, Denver 1st

I would play Delfino/Evans over Mo Pete ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. No improvement at the swing area. Mike James would be an upgrade over Carlos Arroyo, sure. But Araujo really would never see the floor... ever. He'd be stuck in a Darko-like situation, we'd basically get less for him if we dealt him in the future than if we dealt Darko.

In the end this leaves us at the same spot we are in now with a worse potential deal down the road coming in. No reason to do this trade... at all.

-Chris.

**Austin Kent** · 01-24-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj

I would play Delfino/Evans over Mo Pete ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. No improvement at the swing area. Mike James would be an upgrade over Carlos Arroyo, sure. But Araujo really would never see the floor... ever. He'd be stuck in a Darko-like situation, we'd basically get less for him if we dealt him in the future than if we dealt Darko.

In the end this leaves us at the same spot we are in now with a worse potential deal down the road coming in. No reason to do this trade... at all.

-Chris.

I disagree with this, Morris Peterson could bring us more than either Evans or Delfino in my opinion.

Copper · 01-24-2006, 01:24 PM

I think Delfino is gonna be a stud once he gets a little time under his belt. He drives to the rack with a purpose and he has got a sweet touch on the ball. He is also workin his butt off on D lately, I wouldnt move him. Evans gives us alot of hustle and there is no way Mo Pete brings that....so no use in trading backwards.

Team Mao · 01-24-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Copper

I think Delfino is gonna be a stud once he gets a little time under his belt. He drives to the rack with a purpose and he has got a sweet touch on the ball. He is also workin his butt off on D lately, I wouldnt move him. Evans gives us alot of hustle and there is no way Mo Pete brings that....so no use in trading backwards.

MoPete doesn't give hustle? Doesn't play D? I can understand reservations about Hoffa, but saying that Maurice Evans is better than MoPete is ridiculous.

Face it, the Pistons need to trade Darko before the deadline or he loses his value. The resigning period is this offseason, the Pistons aren't going to resign him and Darko would do anything in his power to not resign with the team after what he's experienced there. Another team is going to want to have a long look/tryout with him before choosing to resign him.

I understand that Darko was a 2 pick, but that was the past, the Pistons have been driving down his value from day one with their treatment of the guy. Of course he dogs it in garbage minutes, he hates the team and he wants to leave, I would do if I was a young player picked 2nd in the draft. Old guys might be content to sit on the bench and collect rings, but most young guys selected high in the draft want to play.

Really, the only thing keeping his price so high is hype.

MLKG · 01-24-2006, 05:26 PM

Detroit already picked up the option for Darko this summer. He will be a restricted free agent two summers from now.

**ChrisWoj** · 01-24-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Mao

MoPete doesn't give hustle? Doesn't play D? I can understand reservations about Hoffa, but saying that Maurice Evans is better than MoPete is ridiculous.

No offence to Morris Peterson, but Maurice Evans is a tad younger, has a bit more muscle (shorter, but stronger and stockier), every bit as much athleticism, and a reputation for being a hard worker (unlike Peterson who has gained, like it or not, a reputation for bad conditioning habits). I don't mind Peterson, he's got a decent shot and works the baseline nicely... but Evans has a solid jumper (something I did not expect out of him when he signed) and works as a very nice change-up from Rip Hamiltons catch and shoot style, forcing defenses to adapt to his powerful drives to the basket mixed with three bombs from the corner spot.

Peterson is good, but I think that Evans' attitude and playing style fit the Pistons VERY well. Plus with Delfino coming along... Peterson just isn't needed here.

-Chris.

Copper · 01-24-2006, 08:14 PM

[quote=Team Mao]MoPete doesn't give hustle? Doesn't play D? I can understand reservations about Hoffa, but saying that Maurice Evans is better than MoPete is ridiculous.

I was reffering more to Delfino, I wouldnt trade Darko and Delfino for mo Pete I think weve seen as good as Mo Pete is gonna get and we are just scratching the surface of Delfino. Mo Evans is a tough hard nosed sob and he has range, remember that the Pistons are in no hurry to make a trade, we dont need one. If it were next season and we were in danger of losing Dasrko then maybe we swing a trade if we are gonna lose him with nothing in return. But as things sit now I would continue to bring him along since he seems to be playing better and hope he warms to the idea of comin off the bench for another year or 2 before hes ready to jump into more minutes.

tranjsaic · 01-25-2006, 11:01 AM

As a Magic fan, I remember a game recently the announces brought up the rumor. I think the major selling point was the fact Cato's contract expires this year so you guys would get some cap relief.

Do you guys have money to sign big ben to a huge extension this summer?

**ChrisWoj** · 01-25-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tranjsaic

As a Magic fan, I remember a game recently the announces brought up the rumor. I think the major selling point was the fact Cato's contract expires this year so you guys would get some cap relief.

Do you guys have money to sign big ben to a huge extension this summer?

You assume that Ben wants a huge extension. Go look up some info on the contract proceedings of Ben Wallace before you ask silly questions like that.

Copper · 01-25-2006, 02:08 PM

We can and Joe probably would sign Ben to a huge contract if we needed to, but Ben isnt the type of guy to hold a organization for randsom. He has stated over and over that he loves Detroit and wants to stay here and judging by the below average salaries of the recent signings I like the odds of Ben signing for just enough to keep him well paid and around par. As much as I would love to see us save as many $ as possible for future signings I think what Ben has done in the past and the fact that he has stuck by his current contract instead of doing what so many players do nowadays and try to wiggle every cent out of the team and renegotiate as soon as he plays well, I would totally understand paying him top dollar. But Ben as well as the rest of the players realize that they are so talented because they can afford to keep all their players because they dont have any of the huge Kobe or Shaq contracts that would limit them to one or two superstars and a bunch of scrubs.

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