trading melo would be stupid for the nuggs. he is what 24? you build around him by trading some of your older assets (ai, camby) and hope to strike gold with some prospects coming back. why they would trade their franchise/ perennial allstar/ olympic regular/ scoring leader is beyond me. for a 1 or 2 year window with billups?
it would probably take someone else's young superstar to even start the conversation.
you guys are probably looking at going after some 2nd tier players, who are a little younger than billups and sheed.
It doesn't make any sense that Denver would even be taking phone calls about Carmelo. But supposedly they are, which to me is a red flag. Do they know something everybody doesn't?
I'm reminded of an article Sam Smith wrote after the recent Josh Howard and Joakihm Noah incidents about how alcohol, and not marijuana, was the real drug of abuse in the NBA.
He claimed there were high profile players in the NBA with major drinking problems that teams and agents know about but are kept under the rug because the teams don't want them to lose trade value.
Coincidence that the rumours of Denver taking offers for Carmelo come shortly after he's arrested at 4:00 in the morning for drunk driving with a BAC twice the legal limit after a bad game?
I don't know that it is indicative of a greater problem, but the mere fact that he may even be on the market is a red flag that something else may be going on.
Zach Randolph could be a likely trade target for the Pistons this summer as they look to shake up their roster, according to The Detroit Free Press.
Randolph doesn't fit well in Mike D'Antoni's system with the Knicks, and he wouldn't be nearly as expensive as other players who have been linked to the Pistons, such as Carmelo Anthony.
The former Michigan State star has three years and $48 million remaining on his current deal.
Sheed is too old to get you more. From Detroits perspective I would do the Denver deal in a heartbeat, the Utah deal, the Dallas deal for Prince but not Hamilton, the Charlotte deal, and the Houston deal.
That New Jersey deal is an effing joke. Why the Pistons would do that is beyond me.
You miss the point on Sheed completely. His high salary number as an expiring contract transcends his age.
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The only deal I would do would be the Denver deal. The Charlotte deal is alright, but I think Rasheed could get us a bit more. Morrison is garbage.
Some of these trades make absolutely no sense to me.
Trade #1: Denver and Pistons
Why would the Nuggets give up on a player like Carmelo Anthony that is clearly an all-star, clearly capable of helping a team win, and clearly young enough to get better? Billups and Prince are both good players but certainly are not capable of bringing a championship to Denver. The West is far too deep and those two would not enjoy the same sort of supporting cast with the Nuggets to really make a signficant impact for that team. The trade is an absolute bomb financially for a Nuggets team that clearly markets off of Anthony's star power. Give up Iverson who clearly not getting any better and clearly not doing much for that team in terms of evident progress.
Trade #2: Utah and Pistons
This is dummer than the first trade. The Jazz are clearly a titan in the West and would be breaking up there core for what? To get smaller in a conference where a go to big man like Boozer is clearly necessary to be considered a serious contender. Kirilenko is better than Prince, so this aspect of the trade is mute and Hamilton is not going to have the impact of a Carlos Boozer. Chad Ford needs a dose of reality.
Trade #3: Mavs and Pistons
At least now your getting a little bit more reasonable. Howard supposedly has an attitude and maturity problem (which was his rap **** when he got drafted). The Pistons have veteran players that are similarly skilled and have been in pressure situations before. The Mavericks therefore lose very little in terms of talent/production and gain experience which is crucial in an ever-improving Western Conference. The Pistons would have to give up a little more in terms of a draft pick or a younger player along the lines of an Affalo but this is definately the kind of blueprint for a REALISTIC trade to build off of since BOTH teams actually benefit.
Trade #4: Bobcats and Pistons
This is just as ridiculous as the first two. Honestly, what is the difference between Prince and Wallace? There is no real gain here since Wallace does exactly what Prince does, only better and is younger to boot. Experience is clearly in Prince's favor but what use is that if your supporting cast clearly is not capable of winning anything of significance now or in the near future? I like the idea of adding Rasheed Wallace but he certainly can not be the primary eye candy in a trade like this at his age, at his current production and with his baggage. Larry Brown might want to win but the reality of the situation is that he's gone to programs with YOUNG teams and turned them around; the Pistons was his only exception. The Bobcats and their personnel is no strange situation to him because it's been his situation his ENTIRE career coaching young inexperienced teams.
Trade #5: Nets and Pistons
Again, you guys have a nice group of guys but are not better players removed from their team and system. Fact, none of your guys has ever won anything without the current group of guys. Fact, none of your guys has ever successfully carried a franchise. Fact, none of the guys you really have on the block are below 30. These are the realities and your not going to get the kind of trades Ford is proposing. The only teams that would really be interested in your players are those that are on the verge of winning or think that they can win. New Jersey would have never dealt Kidd if they honestly thought they could win and would have very little in terms of a supporting cast after you guys rape them in that draft. Jefferson is clearly a better player than Prince and I would have to say that Nenad and the pick are worth more than a guy like Wallace unless you can compete for a championship; why else would you take on his baggage at that price?
Trade #6: Rockets and Pistons
FINALLY!!!!!!!! Ford actually got a realistic trade on his list. As good as McGrady is, his back issues are still a concern and has been unable to get the Rockets over the hump (even though this was there year before Yao went down). Yao is a good enough player where he can be a player your offense centers around, which makes McGrady expendable. Rasheed and Hamilton's range and experience compliment Yao and the Rocket's championship aspirations very well.
I'd have to ask the question though, why would the Pistons do it? McGrady does not make you a better ball club and at this point; he is too old to be apart of a rebuilding project. Adding him however does give you an actual go-to player (if this is what you felt you needed) and might be able to quickly retool to win. This move definately can not be considered a long-term move, however.
...As a fan of a team currently rebuilding, I strongly suggest you guys make trades for the future. The Pistons as presently constructed still have a pulse and can continue to get you some pretty impressive seasons for at least 2 or 3 more years tops. What would you guys do after then, when the key components of those teams are not nearly as springy as they once were and still have a lot of money owed to them? You follow this route and I gaurantee you guys will regret it because what it leaves you is either the 2000-2001 New York Knicks or the 1999-2000 Chicago Bulls, neither of which is very encouraging. The after-effects of those poor decisions are still felt today by both organizations and may still continue to haunt them into the near future; maybe not the Bulls who have the no.1 overall pick but definately the Knicks.
It would be in your best interest to start making moves that slowly overturn the roster. This allows you to begin building the foundation that will take your team into the future and give them the opportunity to be competitive and gain the type of experience and seasoning they would not see without that sort of leadership present on the team.
A perfect trade for you guys probably would be one that you guys hate. I actually think (Knick bias aside) that Zach Randolph would be an excellent move for you guys. He's 25 years old and is a 20 and 10 player. The guy has his warts but they certainly do not override his talent. Trade Rasheed Wallace for him and leave him with Chauncey Billups and Tayshaun Prince for 1 or 2 seasons. Let him not have to feel the pressure of being the star of his team, let him experience a winning culture and let him become acclimidated with the work necessary to win. He certainly won't make you title contenders but he certainly will keep you competitive and turn you into one down the road. As much as he does have his issues, so did the guy he would be traded for and being around the Pistons certainly did wonders for his career......give Zach the same opportunity and see what he does with it.
Beyond that, I do not see you making any of these ridiculous moves being proposed. Working in the realm of reality, I do not see any moves that could net you a player as talented, as young and as capable as Zach Randolph currently is. Carmelo Anthony might be a slim possibility but you'd certainly have to give up all those prominent players you guys have and at least a draft pick for it to make sense. I could see something along the lines of a Chauncey Billups, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess and your draft pick this year for Carmelo Anthony, Nene and Kenyon Martin. The Nuggets get the keys to a championship run (which won't work) to place around Iverson and Pistons get a YOUNG franchise player and long-term contracts to compensate for that fact. In the East, that could net you a couple playoff berths and an inevitable contender spot. The question is whether you'd want to assume the injury risk, attitude and money for guys like a Martin or Nene. This would definately be a best case scenario because you'd still be left with Richard Hamilton and your young cast of role players.
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It would be in your best interest to start making moves that slowly overturn the roster. This allows you to begin building the foundation that will take your team into the future and give them the opportunity to be competitive and gain the type of experience and seasoning they would not see without that sort of leadership present on the team.
Rodney Stuckey, Jason Maxiell, Amir Johnson, Aaron Afflalo....
Rodney Stuckey, Jason Maxiell, Amir Johnson, Aaron Afflalo....
Are you trying to make your best Memphis Grizzlies impression? None of those guys are going to be able to shoulder a team. Outside Stuckey, none of those guys might even be starters. They certainly are a start for young role players but definately can not be taken to be much more than that.
twinkie, you are more of a homer than the bulls fans. Noone wants zach randolph's fat ***. He is garbage and is not going to get you Sheed in return. Wait until the trading deadline and you may have a prayer that some team is willing to sacrifice chemistry for a shot at the playoffs
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