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**Ruff Draft** · 06-01-2008, 12:39 PM

I want a new coach to get these guys gto play to their true level. If not, goodbye!

I would only put Stuckeym, Tay, and Amir as untouchable.

**bball2223** · 06-01-2008, 12:50 PM

Get rid of Flip before you break up the core.

**Ruff Draft** · 06-01-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bball2223

Get rid of Flip before you break up the core.

Yep. We need a new direction. Maybe a little bit of remodeling. Make Lindey Hunter assistant. Terry P may be gone.

afobisme · 06-01-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PDXshelbyGT

Permit me to propose a trade with Portland (this assumes that Detroit looks to break up the core and rebuild a bit):

Detroit sends to Portland: Billups + Prince

Portland sends to Detroit: Travis Outlaw (3/4 swing - and just 23 yrs old!) + Jarrett Jack (combo guard) + the 33rd pick (which does not require a guaranteed contract) + (and this is the kicker: Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract - which is huge and valuable for cap space in a year). I would even consider adding Portland's 2009 #1 to provide some added value (the West is tough - and Portland, even with these trades, would have to have quite a year - and Oden would have to truly perform, for Portland to make the playoffs)

sheed would tell you that's a poo poo trade.

BleedGreen · 06-01-2008, 05:46 PM

I wouldnt trade Billups alone for that package. Thats not even close to equal value.

I dont think its time for the Pistons to break it up yet. They are still one of the top teams in the league. Chauncey was hurt in the playoffs and they payed for it. I would give them one more year then break it up. They just need to develop some young talent to give them a future. Then hopefully they can ride the older guys until the young guys develop.

**Ruff Draft** · 06-01-2008, 10:51 PM

Could we swing Sheed to Washington for Nick Young and the 18th?

**Damian Necronamous** · 06-01-2008, 11:29 PM

Any two of Billups, Rip, Tayshaun and Rasheed could land the Pistons a big-name player.

If they dealt Hamilton and Rasheed, they could get something really solid in return that could give the team a new look. I could see Milwaukee agreeing to a trade of Hamilton, Rasheed, Amir Johnson, the 29th pick and a future first round pick for Michael Redd, Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva.

PG: Chauncey Billups...Rodney Stuckey
SG: Michael Redd...Arron Afflalo
SF: Tayshaun Prince...Jarvis Hayes
PF: Jason Maxiell...Charlie Villanueva
C: Andrew Bogut...Antonio McDyess

Meanwhile, Milwaukee would roll with...

PG: Maurice Williams...Ramon Sessions
SG: Richard Hamilton...Charlie Bell
SF: Desmond Mason...Bobby Simmons
PF: Yi Jianlian...Amir Johnson
C: Rasheed Wallace...Dan Gadzuric
Plus, the 8th and 29th picks in the 2008 Draft.

Detroit still has experience, with Billups, Prince and McDyess. This would give them some youth to balance it out. They would clearly win on the talent end of this deal and would get a serious offensive upgrade. Meanwhile, Milwaukee does it to get rid of two guys who have outstayed their welcome (Redd and Villanueva) and finally get some playoff experience and defense.

Thoughts?

**Ruff Draft** · 06-01-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Necronamous

Any two of Billups, Rip, Tayshaun and Rasheed could land the Pistons a big-name player.

If they dealt Hamilton and Rasheed, they could get something really solid in return that could give the team a new look. I could see Milwaukee agreeing to a trade of Hamilton, Rasheed, Amir Johnson, the 29th pick and a future first round pick for Michael Redd, Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva.

PG: Chauncey Billups...Rodney Stuckey
SG: Michael Redd...Arron Afflalo
SF: Tayshaun Prince...Jarvis Hayes
PF: Jason Maxiell...Charlie Villanueva
C: Andrew Bogut...Antonio McDyess

Meanwhile, Milwaukee would roll with...

PG: Maurice Williams...Ramon Sessions
SG: Richard Hamilton...Charlie Bell
SF: Desmond Mason...Bobby Simmons
PF: Yi Jianlian...Amir Johnson
C: Rasheed Wallace...Dan Gadzuric
Plus, the 8th and 29th picks in the 2008 Draft.

Detroit still has experience, with Billups, Prince and McDyess. This would give them some youth to balance it out. They would clearly win on the talent end of this deal and would get a serious offensive upgrade. Meanwhile, Milwaukee does it to get rid of two guys who have outstayed their welcome (Redd and Villanueva) and finally get some playoff experience and defense.

Thoughts?

I'm all over that. Awesome deal.

STUCKEY! · 06-02-2008, 11:08 AM

No way in hell milwaukee would just take on a cancer in Sheed as well as trade a young bogut. IDk I don't see it ever happening.

a couple beers · 06-02-2008, 07:09 PM

I was thinking the same thing. I'm tierd of hearing "if it isn't broken don't fix it." It is time to move on.

a couple beers · 06-02-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Necronamous

Any two of Billups, Rip, Tayshaun and Rasheed could land the Pistons a big-name player.

If they dealt Hamilton and Rasheed, they could get something really solid in return that could give the team a new look. I could see Milwaukee agreeing to a trade of Hamilton, Rasheed, Amir Johnson, the 29th pick and a future first round pick for Michael Redd, Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva.

PG: Chauncey Billups...Rodney Stuckey
SG: Michael Redd...Arron Afflalo
SF: Tayshaun Prince...Jarvis Hayes
PF: Jason Maxiell...Charlie Villanueva
C: Andrew Bogut...Antonio McDyess

Meanwhile, Milwaukee would roll with...

PG: Maurice Williams...Ramon Sessions
SG: Richard Hamilton...Charlie Bell
SF: Desmond Mason...Bobby Simmons
PF: Yi Jianlian...Amir Johnson
C: Rasheed Wallace...Dan Gadzuric
Plus, the 8th and 29th picks in the 2008 Draft.

Detroit still has experience, with Billups, Prince and McDyess. This would give them some youth to balance it out. They would clearly win on the talent end of this deal and would get a serious offensive upgrade. Meanwhile, Milwaukee does it to get rid of two guys who have outstayed their welcome (Redd and Villanueva) and finally get some playoff experience and defense.

Thoughts?

That is nasty you should be The Pistons GM!

**bball2223** · 06-02-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by a couple beers

That is nasty you should be The Pistons GM!

No Kidding!

**DANNY** · 06-02-2008, 11:04 PM

thats a great trade idea, damian.

but i dont know if it necessarily makes the pistons a better team. Detroit either need to give the same group of guys another chance or just blow it up and start over. Fixing pieces here and there and replacing players with the same skill level really isnt the answer. Yes in terms of talent the pistons look great on all five positions but i think they'll sorely miss all the small things rasheed brings to the table. (maybe except his three point shooting, HA!)

for milwakuee, it should be a no brainer. if things don't work out in terms of getting the W, they get cap relief with rasheed's contract and hamilton is very attractive piece in the trading market with his affordable contract.

**Marcus13** · 06-02-2008, 11:05 PM

If you could make a Rasheed/Billups deal for, say, Nowitzki, pull that trigger

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