jvanbusk

I don't think you can go into the next year with the same core. Some of these guys are getting old. It might be time to get younger.

STUCKEY!

Definitely get rid of Rasheed, Im iffy on billups. We have to keep Rip,Tayshaun,Stuckey,mad max though. Also get rid of saunders, 2 straight years and nothing to show for it.

scapegoat

billups in particular has looked ragged. sheed, too. flip should be replaced by terry porter.

it's looking more and more like the 2004 chip was a fluke, and that this is indeed a league of superstars. this "collection of almost-there" talents isn't going to cut it. there's nobody on this team that could be counted on every single night to score. if we could trade for one of those guys, nowitzki or melo for example, we could contend again. but this, it's over.

TheTruth34

guys guys. the pistons can still contend for one or two more years with this core. They just let boston get to their heads. I saw it in the fourth quarter it was very unpiston like and i didnt expect it. I was scared up until ray allen got fouled on that rasheed miss. KG and Pierce were missin ft's down the stretch.

Just go for a solid 6th man who can score....montae ellis? he could be the sixth man for a year and then take over for billups in that all new look pistons.

Max
Johnson
Prince
Stuckey
Ellis

you guys got young talent. dont get crappy. suns fans should be crappy a team that cant win a series against the spurs with amare, nash, shaq, hill and others are just worthless.

thats the core you need to blow up...not the pistons.

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ChrisWoj

I wouldn't blow up the team. Not at all. No way. Here's the team I see in 2008/2009:

C - Rasheed Wallace [30m]
PF - Jason Maxiell [30m]
SF - Tayshaun Prince [33m]
SG - Richard Hamilton [30m]
PG - Chauncey Billups [30m]

G - Rodney Stuckey [28m]
G - Arron Afflalo [8m]
F - DRAFT PICK [10m]
F - Jarvis Hayes [5m]
FC - Antonio McDyess [20m]
FC - Amir Johnson [15m]
FC - DRAFT PICK [3m]

Seriously. The minutes will be getting moved around, swap out McDyess and Maxiell because both have said they're more comfortable in the roles I described. Give Amir a consistent 15 minutes per night of course. The young guys are getting more responsibility. Additionally: **** TERRY PORTER. You're out of your god damn minds. Flip isn't the ideal coach for this team but there aren't really any better options out there. Terry Porter is not one of them.

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Avalanche

If i were you guys i would go again with what you hav.. just playing the young guys more.
The vets can get a few less minutes, so while they may decline sightly the younger guys will get better

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P33r~

I think we've had these threads pop up after every year the past few years. The core is fine. Just need to move minutes around.

The only reason I would look to trade any of the starters would be to get something incredible for them while their value is high. If anyone, it would be Sheed.
But think about it.. with how weak this conference is looking right now, we're still top 2 in the east. What we need is MORE MINUTES for the young guns. I really stress this point.. Amir in particular needs to get real minutes as we start to move Sheed out of the rotation.

I honestly haven't watched enough Pistons games to know what else we need off the bench. We are missing something though.

jvanbusk

How long can you honestly go with these guys though? It's been 3 years now, is it going to happen next year with the exact same team? There's going to come a point where you hang on too long, the starting 5 is too old, you don't win, and the trade value is no longer there.

Right now, I'm not even sure what the market value would be for a guy like Chauncey Billups or Rasheed Wallace. I just think it would be nice to get a little younger somewhere. I'm not saying blow up the team, but if you can move Billups in a package for a good young power forward that's got to be something you look at (and I'm probably one of the biggest Chauncey supporters out there).

P33r~

I know what you're saying.. Some teams don't know when to start over and stay with their rotation for far too long, until their best players fade into obscurity and are of no value. The Pistons aren't quite there yet though.

Let's see who we would need to move. Rip and Prince are in their prime. Sheed.. I didn't completely rule out the possibility of a trade for a guy like Sheed. I don't think we need another young power forward like you say.. but if we can get something decent for Sheed i'd be up for it. As for Chauncey, I'm a big Chauncey supporter too and I think we still need him. He's getting older but he's still the smartest player and leader of the team.

Wilt_The_Stilt

If you trade one of the "core" players you won't be getting anything back that would put you over the top. It would signal a rebuilding period.

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Some sort of change needs to be made on this team, whether it's breaking up the entire core, just getting rid of Saunders, or picking up a valuable Free Agent. The fact of the matter is that they've been the favorites the past three years to make it to the finals and lost all three times in the ECF.

ChrisWoj

2009/2010 will be the year of the shift.

PG - Chauncey Billups
SG - Rodney Stuckey/Richard Hamilton (likely to be dealt, expiring)
SF - Tayshaun Prince
PF - Amir Johnson
C - Jason Maxiell

The thing I'm concerned about is seeing Jason Maxiell as our starting Center. Amir should develop just fine, once he fills out he'll be a powerful big man. But Maxiell is very undersized and we could stand to draft someone this year or next year to slide into that role.

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P33r~

As much as I love Maxiell.. there's no way in hell that I'd want Maxiell as my starting center.
Any FA C's we could pick up in the offseason?

afobisme

based on what dyess and sheed have said after the loss, it seems like they feel joe is going to blow the team up. sheed said "this is the end, man." dyess said he thinks joe will break the core up.

espn also reports that flip has a 50-50 chance of returning next year.

quite odd that he would blow the team up 1 year after re-signing chauncey.

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