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Old 12-26-2012, 01:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ISSUE: The Keepers

Every team in the NBA has some disposable parts. Some have more than others. In the case of the Pistons - guess what! We've got lots of them. It comes with being one of the worst teams in the NBA. And yes - I know that this team has a lot of promising parts but right now they are what they are: among the dregs of the league. So first lets identify the parts that I see as non-disposable at this point in time and why they are such... Next time I post I'll go over the disposable parts, and why they're such (and what value they may have).

1. Andre Drummond - He is the furthest from disposable on this team, even more so than Greg Monroe. If only because his potential is so far from realized. He's an athletic monster with the size, strength, and quickness of a truly elite center and he's young enough that he could very well get there with the right coaching and motivation.

2. Greg Monroe - This season has been an obvious step backward for Monroe. But not because of a decline in work nor skill level. He's been playing a TON at the top of the key trying to improve his game away from the basket. He isn't a good enough shooter from out there yet, which keeps him from being respected. If he develops a bit of a range he'll be devastating next to Drummond.

3. Brandon Knight - As I posted in my thread a week or so ago: Brandon Knight is too young and too raw to set aside as the point guard of the future in Detroit. He's quite clearly not Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, or any of the other truly elite top NBA point guards. But why can't he one day be a player of the caliber of say Mike Conley? Detroit has the time to wait right now.

4. Rodney Stuckey - This might come as some surprise, but this guy isn't totally disposable. He doesn't look drastically improved, but his numbers are deflated by a significant shooting slump to start the season as he played 8 games through serious migraines. Look at his December numbers, great month as he's EMBRACED being a bench fire-starter. And I think he's a leader. Keeper. Not starter, but keeper.

5. Kyle Singler - He's not expendable because he's young, and under team control at a cheap price right now. He works his ass off throwing himself all over the floor, his percentages are not spectacular and brought down by a recent slump but they're still not bad. If he rights the ship on this slump, he's showing a lot as a rookie that no one expected from him. He's worth a look as a part of this team for another good year.

6. Kim English - He has proven he'll work on defense, has adequate size, and shoots the lights out. I'm not sure what is keeping him from being a rotation player thus far. He's either not working hard in practice, or he's having issues picking up concepts or rotations. Either way, a keeper with potential.

7. and 8. Khris Middleton, Slava Kravtsov - The reason these guys are on the list is because they're just too young and unproven to give up on just now. Khris Middleton has shown flashes during his brief D-League stay, no reason to give up on him. Slava Kravtsov has great size. Maybe he's a stiff, but maybe he isn't. As with Middleton, just need to give him a look.


So basically - six guys I feel have SHOWN they are keepers, and two that still might be keepers and we just can't say yet. Leaves seven truly disposable parts that should be out of town by next season. If not by the trade deadline.
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4. Rodney Stuckey - This might come as some surprise, but this guy isn't totally disposable.
This is where your list was derailed. "Not totally disposable" does not equal "keeper" in my mind. The Pistons really only have 3 keepers... and Brandon Knight is debatable.
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Re: ISSUE: The Keepers

I think Knight's outside shooting makes him a really good fit on any team with two true bigs, but I agree that the Pistons don't have any real "keepers" outside of Monroe-Drummond-Knight. Guys that can stick around for a while if the situation is right, sure, but I wouldn't hesitate to move anybody on that list from #4 down if an attractive trade came along.
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Re: ISSUE: The Keepers

This is a team that could stand to take a chance on an athletic wing that can shoot a little but just hasn't worked out on another team. I'm thinking something along the lines of the Jazz trying out Marvin Williams, the Suns picking up Wesley Johnson, or the Cavs taking a chance on CJ Miles. They could really use a guy with some motivation to secure a longterm contract who also has the potential to improve over the course of that contract.
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Re: ISSUE: The Keepers

They'll have the chance to take one more guy in the mid-lottery this year before probably having to convey next season's pick to Charlotte. I'm not a big college basketball guy, so don't take this as an endorsement of the individual players, but I'd bet that Detroit's keeping an eye on Poythress, Archie Goodwin, and Ben McLemore(yes, I'm just quoting stuff from DraftExpress).

It's a shame that there won't be a natural way to work out a Jeff Green trade, should Boston hit the reset button.
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You never know, Detroit could win the lottery or the 2nd or third pick and really have something good to build with.
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This is where your list was derailed. "Not totally disposable" does not equal "keeper" in my mind. The Pistons really only have 3 keepers... and Brandon Knight is debatable.
Brandon Knight at this age is not debatable. I agree with the guy that said that "if an attractive trade came around" anyone from 3 on down is someone you can move. And I'd go one step further: Anyone from 1 on down is worth trading "if any attractive trade came around." What Stuckey gives you as a leader and off of the bench is worth it on this team. Obviously if the right deal came around you move him, but that goes for everybody. You can't turn over 12 of 15 guys on the roster and expect to wind up with anything decent the next season unless you're picking up Chris Bosh and LeBron James. Rodney Stuckey is definitely someone worth keeping going into next season because he provides value. Is he overpaid for a third guard? Of course. But this is a guy that has proven effective off of the bench, in a role that is new for him. You don't just get rid of guys for the sake of getting rid of them - when a piece is in place, unless you're making a DISTINCT improvement somewhere you don't just get rid of that piece.
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I think this is just an issue of people having different definitions of "keeper".

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You never know, Detroit could win the lottery or the 2nd or third pick and really have something good to build with.
Also, yes, it would be great if they stumbled their way into Shabazz, but that's not really a plan.

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Re: ISSUE: The Keepers

The plan for Detroit almost has to evolve based on what draft pick they get this coming offseason. This franchise has a sub .350 winning percentage over the last 4 seasons since the last time they went to the playoffs (and got swept). Next season will be year 5 in the rebuilding process. It is time to see some results.

We have to assume Charlie V will opt in. This team has been needing to trade Tayshaun for years. Even without unloading either of those contracts, though, the Pistons should have upwards of $14 mil in cap space next year after they sign their lottery pick. They need to use that money wisely. No more Ben Gordon/Charlie V offseasons that kill your franchise!!! If they get Shabazz, McLemore, or Poythress, they should consider making him one of their rotation players. If not, there are no other wings in this draft worthy to start for an NBA team at this time.
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Re: ISSUE: The Keepers

I agree totally with that. Joe D absolutely tanked the last round of cap space he had. Right now I'm keeping in mind Dumars' prior track record as a GM because one summer of bad moves basically handicapped him big time - and his efforts to escape have been feeble at best. Its time to see if he can come around again now that he's in the clear with cap space again on his side to allow him the freedom to work. If he botches it again - and we've gotta hope he doesn't - we're looking at a whole new president/management/coach and a complete reboot of the process probably - which will drag this out even longer.
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Re: ISSUE: The Keepers

I really don't like that Detroit's been mentioned as one of the most interested teams in the Demarcus Cousins talk. Not enough strong veterans to keep him in line and it'll require the Pistons to move one of their high-potential big men who don't have behavioral issues. Dumars just needs to play it conservative this year, hit on a swingman in the draft, and bring in a solid veteran or two with the cap space. Don't try to hit a home run with a headcase.
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Re: ISSUE: The Keepers

Yeah - I'm sort of in agreement on Cousins. I really don't think he's currently or will be better than any of our gems in Monroe and Drummond. Of course he's better than Drummond currently, but I like Drummond much more long term. Now, should the Pistons front office decide on making a run at Kevin Love in the off season, I'd be all for that and than go from there on trading one of the big men for a legit SF or SG. Just an idea, but I do love where the Pistons are heading and it feels good to finally be heading in a positive direction again.
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So, I don't think this really has its own thread, but the more I think about it the more I like Carter-Williams out of Syracuse for you guys in the late lottery. A big point guard who can defend shooting guards solves a lot of the Brandon Knight-related problems the team is looking at, and having a real passer to spread it around to Drummond and Monroe would be a plus. Just a thought I had. Assuming, you know, you guys don't catch Boston and wind up sending the pick to Charlotte.
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