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rainman · 11-13-2003, 05:17 PM

somewhere.this is the problem with 18 year olds coming to the nba,the kid should be on a court somewhere refineing his game.its too bad you couldnt have some sort of developement league,i know they tried it before but it was all scrubs pretty much.as for darko getting pt for the pistons i am not convinced he shouldnt get some court time.i know pistons fans are going to get on me for questioning the brain trust there but do they think they're the late 80's pistons or something?.they lost two games this week and darko gets two blocks in 4 minutes.in a game where you have brian cardinal getting his game on out there i just dont buy the idea that darko cant get pt.

MLKG · 11-13-2003, 06:05 PM

Darko will learn way more in a Larry Brown practice than he will mopping up the NBDL. In all likelyhood he WILL be in the rotation this season. There just waiting until he's ready.

Remember how terrible Yao Ming was at the begining of last season? Once he got comfortable he greatly improved.

The Pistons have the luxury of not having to put him out there before he's ready.

**walkon4** · 11-13-2003, 07:29 PM

Thats ridiculous. The man should be getting minutes. Im tired of hearing that Larry Brown teaches his players so much in practices. Get the man the damn minutes. You can't learn anything unless you play in a game type situation with 20,000 people watching. This is the NBA. The team needs to play him.

Priest · 11-13-2003, 07:35 PM

people are forgetting he is the youngest player in the league

PyroManiac · 11-13-2003, 07:41 PM

Not only that, people are forgetting that he would be a senior in high school, so he came in out of his junior year.

I however, am a firm believer in GET HIM SOME DAMN PT!

Practice does not make perfect in the NBA, the situations are just too different. He has to learn to deal with the pressure and a mistake in real-time and in a real game.

He needs 5 min a game right now. If he comes out averages 3 pts-2 rebs-1 block or something that is not like 3 to-3 fouls then he should be upped to 10 min.

We want Darko!

shazha · 11-13-2003, 07:47 PM

If ur on a winning team, and are a rookie, u need to prove yourself before u can crack into the rotation. There are many veterans on the pistons, and larry can rely on them to play solidly in their roles.

Under larry darko will learn how to play fantastic team defence, hustle, and knowing ur role on a team. I think the pistons however really need a decent shooting coach, just to help darko out with building confidence.

larry brown is one of the best coaches in the league and my favorite. he really brings out the best in his players. His ability to develop super star talent is questionable however.

**HKF** · 11-13-2003, 07:49 PM

Larry Brown = most overrated coach in NBA history.

**walkon4** · 11-13-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by newmessiah10!
Larry Brown = most overrated coach in NBA history.

AMEN AMEN AMEN

Exactly

**HKF** · 11-13-2003, 08:18 PM

Just to clarify so people don't think I am flaming. He will not take them to a title, though you guys may make the Finals a couple of times. I think that is more a product of Joe Dumars ability to put together a team rather than Brown's ability to coach it.

If you guys win one it will be in spite of Brown.

rainman · 11-13-2003, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mike luvs KG!
Darko will learn way more in a Larry Brown practice than he will mopping up the NBDL. In all likelyhood he WILL be in the rotation this season. There just waiting until he's ready.

Remember how terrible Yao Ming was at the begining of last season? Once he got comfortable he greatly improved.

The Pistons have the luxury of not having to put him out there before he's ready.

the whole point is if he were in a developement league then he would be playing all the time.everyone points to his age but lebron james is 18 and he played against cyo type competition.the word on darko was here was this youngester playing against pro men over in europe and that he must be so advanced for his age.i personally get tired of all the hype leading up to the draft then some of these guys come in and cant get pt.just play the kid and let him prove he cant play as opposed to just the opposite.

**jvanbusk** · 11-13-2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by newmessiah10!
Just to clarify so people don't think I am flaming. He will not take them to a title, though you guys may make the Finals a couple of times. I think that is more a product of Joe Dumars ability to put together a team rather than Brown's ability to coach it.

If you guys win one it will be in spite of Brown.

Thank you, for putting some sort of argument behind your claim. There have been many people that have made baseless claims in the past few months or so, but your post was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

Anyways, I don't think you got to any sort of evidence as to why Brown isn't as good as advertised.

My opinion: He's taken little to nothing and succeeded everywhere he's been. How can you be overrated when you get for the most part, the most out of your talent?

MLKG · 11-13-2003, 08:53 PM

The Pistons are haveing a hard enough time finding enough minutes for Okur and Campbell- there really is not a lot of room for Darko to come in.

But even still Darko, got 4 minutes against Sacramento the other night in the first half, he had 2 blocks a steal a rebound and drew two offensive fouls. He IS improving in practice.

People have to understand coming to the NBA is a lot different for Europeans than it is for even high school kids.

The high school kids have been playing American ball all their lives, they need the minutes early to get adjusted to the pace of an NBA game.

Guys like Darko need practice early to LEARN the American game. Once he is ready to play he'll start easing his wasy into the lineup and getting that game experience.

There really is absolutely no reason in the world to rush him. By all accounts he is getting better everyday in practice. Game experience won't help you AT ALL if you're not ready for it.

I think the fact that he has to earn his way into the lineup is a great thing. It pushes him to work harder where as Lebron and Carmello have basically had everything given to them which puts less pressure on them to get better.

He WILL play. But there is no reason to throw him out there the first couple weeks of the season before he is MENTALLY ready.

bananas · 11-13-2003, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by newmessiah10!
Just to clarify so people don't think I am flaming. He will not take them to a title, though you guys may make the Finals a couple of times. I think that is more a product of Joe Dumars ability to put together a team rather than Brown's ability to coach it.

If you guys win one it will be in spite of Brown.

Why.

I fail to see how one of the winningest coaches in NBA history and a person that is highly thought of throughout the league by players and fellow coches is overated (They know each other alot more than we think we know them). He is known as the greatest teacher of the game (It has shown in Rip and Chauncey's play - despite them making poor decisions with the ball recently. They have expanded their games from both being just scoring guards to Chauncey being able to create more for others and Rip becoming a better rebounder/defender) and can teach even veteran players (See Coleman during last years playoffs) to raise their level of play.

I do credit Joe with the majority of success for this teams, present and future. They will be competing for the title possibly the next 6+ years (Depending on how Darko pans out) and I trust his judement when choosing a coach (He picked a rookie coach who won coach of the year). I know Brown won't be here for the long haul (3 years possibly) and I expect Joe to have a Laimbeer or Curry or Mahorn waiting for the job once Brown is ready to step down.

As far as Darko's playing time, how many times are we going to go through this - he is the youngest player in the NBA, new to the country, he doesn't speak the language very well, is playing a new position (Center / post player) and is fifth on the depth chart in big men. I disagree with him needing PT in real games to get better - he's played in important games overseas, he knows what it's like to play in big games. Right now all he needs to do is focus on his inside skills (Rebounding, post offense/defense) against Wallace, Okur and Campbell in practice and grow into his body (He is reportedly up to 265lbs now and who knows if he'll grow past 7'1, scary how big he'll in 2-3 years). When he got in the Sac game, I was very impressed - Brown said he has gotten 800% better since training camp, I might have to agree with him so far defensively (He was completely lost on defense during preseason - in the Sac game he had 2 blocks and afew more altered shots in very limited minutes).

I'm not worried about anything, Dumars and Brown are probably the two best GMs / Coaches you can have.

PistonFAN81 · 11-13-2003, 09:03 PM

I am all about Darko, from start to finish. But I think that you can't just put him in, he will get his time this year maybe even in the play-offs just like Tayshaun did this past year. But as we all know some rookies need to be brought in slowly, some aren't just ready to jump into a starting role or a role where they are part of the starting line-up, he will be there and be there for a long time in the Pistons franchise

JustinSane · 11-14-2003, 11:28 AM

Personally, I think 5 minutes a game might be a good idea, particularly in the late first/early second when teams usually go to the bench. Darko is raw, and has yet to tap his potential, but he is a 7'1'' man with quickness, decent fundamentals, and a mean streak. One could do worse for a situational bench player. He was very effective in the four minutes he played against the Kings, and that was partially against Divac, one of the better centers in the NBA. If he can hold up there, surely he could keep from having his confidence shattered by the backups from the big man deficient Eastern Conference. Getting a feel for the NBA game, even if it's only 4 or 5 meaningful minutes, could really help supplement his development in practice.

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