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Midnight_Marauder · 12-12-2003, 07:43 PM

This team isnt taking to Larry Brown obviously. It is hard to watch this and then watch Pacer's highlights every night. I really question the moving of the coach. Now I dont know what happened behind the scenes at the palace, but was it worth this? They are being outplayed, outhustled and they are showing no heart. They need to move some players. I hate to say it but maybe give up Hamilton or Billups? All I know is that was the worst game I have seen them play this year(I missed the game last night, so I guess that dont count).

PyroManiac · 12-12-2003, 08:25 PM

You know what we do?

Cut Fowlkes.

Get Hunter the **** out of there (Along with Corliss) Trade them, do something.

Then play Darko.

So we have a starting lineup of: Billups, Rip, Prince, Memo, Ben

With rotations of Atkins, Sura, Fill in the blank, Darko, Elden, and Zelly.

That doesn't sound too bad.

I'm just a bit mad at our losing streak. Don't mind me.

fear the fro · 12-12-2003, 08:38 PM

No, there's no way we should have lost to 3 of the last 4 teams that we lost to. Larry Brown is clearly having some serious problems with this team and I don't know if anything can feasibly be done to fix them. What's even more disappointing is that I think with every game Memo's chances of resigning decrease more and more-even if we were able to give an offer that was competitive financially, I can't see him wanting to play for Larry Brown another year.

PyroManiac · 12-12-2003, 08:51 PM

Yeah, it is OBVIOUSLY Larry's fault.

I'm suprised half of the team shows up to the games.

I wouldn't want to play for Brown from what I see right now.

He is mad because people here don't follow his technique and he takes it out on others.

What was his problem with Darko yesterday (Completely calling him out, read the article on Detnews.com) If I was sitting for 3 hours, and then we basically forfeit the game and I'm being called to go up... I wouldn't care either.

I don't need to "Jump up" and be happy I have a chance to play.

Larry Brown needs to shut the **** up, and take control of the time.

If we lose to the Bulls, all hell is going to break loose.

**HKF** · 12-12-2003, 08:56 PM

Hmmm... maybe I am not as stupid as people said I was for saying that Larry Brown only cares about his way. He is not utilizing the talent here properly. Hopefully he will quit on you guys like he has done with so many other teams in his career.

Seven · 12-12-2003, 09:03 PM

http://www.basketballboards.net/foru...5&pagenumber=1

Let's just hope he quits , like he often does on teams.

PyroManiac · 12-12-2003, 09:09 PM

Well GQStar at first I really did think Larry Brown was going to be a good coach for us.

I thought was a great coach, who just had some problems with the Sixers and would help us get that championship.

Well, I am now proud to join the "Brown is overrated" group. I have never seen a team just fall apart like that, my high school freshman team (West Bloomfield team) got killed by Pointiac Northen 65-15 (something like that) and we played better than the Pistons.

Atleast Larry Brown said that it was his fault (in today's post game conference) and that he has to fix it.

I expected him to blame Darko for not winning the game for us. Now that Brown says its his fault, lets see him fix it. If he doesn't I wouldn't be suprised to hear Larry Brown Sucks chants starting at home.

**jvanbusk** · 12-12-2003, 09:17 PM

I don't think Larry Brown is the sole culprit in this. Let's face it, this is the second coach our players have had problems with. This is becoming a recurring theme. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of their *****ing and piss-poor play. Maybe, we need to make a trade or two and get some players that aren't going to act like a bunch of sniveling babies.

rainman · 12-12-2003, 09:18 PM

i dont think having ben be a focus on offense makes any sense.i dont know if thats the intention but he is getting the ball way too much in the paint and doesnt know what to do with it,the guards need to be more offensive minded and i would stop playing fowlkes,rebracca and limit campbell and williamson to very few minutes if any.i like the idea(not the coaching staffs)of milicic playing some significant minutes,for a couple of reasons.i think he would add some athletecism to their offense that is missing and he would get the crowd going(at home).too early to panic.get a win or two and things will settle down.in this league just when someone looks like they're done they usually bounce back.

Seven · 12-12-2003, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by jvanbusk!
I don't think Larry Brown is the sole culprit in this. Let's face it, this is the second coach our players have had problems with. This is becoming a recurring theme. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of their *****ing and piss-poor play. Maybe, we need to make a trade or two and get some players that aren't going to act like a bunch of sniveling babies.

This team went to the Eastern Conference Championship last year...

**jvanbusk** · 12-12-2003, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by Seven!

This team went to the Eastern Conference Championship last year...

And they also basically quit on Rick Carlisle.

MLKG · 12-12-2003, 10:46 PM

People need to get a clue.

This a players league, Larry Brown isn't loosing the team games. Larry Brown isn't the one out there missing jump shot after jump shot, or turning the ball over time after time. Larry Brown isn't the one who isn't hustling back in transition or playing mentally tough defense. Larry Brown isn't the one shooting under 35% over the last 4 games.

How quickly people forget that not even a month ago the Pistons were playing the best ball they had played in years. They hung tight with the Lakers in LA and then beat them at home. When we went on that 4 or 5 game run of playing bat EC teams however our play steadily degrated and continued to do so because we were winning. Well now it's degraded to the point where we aren't winning and the team really needs to redeicated itself to playing Larry ball- the basketball we saw earlier this year where every body crashes the boards and everybody hustles in transition. Guys are simply NOT doing this right now and you have to put THAT on the guys on the floor not the coach.

I guess people just don't want to believe that our players are simply NOT playing well right now, and they need to find it within themselves to pick up their play because there is nothing a coach can do about it.

Larry needs to get the guys together in practice and go back to day 1 and start working on the stuff they did in training camp to try to get the team back to where they were.

Midnight_Marauder · 12-13-2003, 07:42 AM

Yeah we know that Brown aint hitting the shots for us, but that is what makes a good coach different from a great coach. He gets his players to play for him. Right now they aint playing for Brown, they don't dive for balls, they dont hustle, they only go through the motions. I have never liked the choice for Brown for coach mainly because he quits before he gets you to the promised land. Yeah I know they will get better before the season is over and this is only a dry spell, but the underlying theme remains, they are not a bonafied title contender.

PacersguyUSA · 12-13-2003, 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by Mike luvs KG!
People need to get a clue.

This a players league, Larry Brown isn't loosing the team games. Larry Brown isn't the one out there missing jump shot after jump shot, or turning the ball over time after time. Larry Brown isn't the one who isn't hustling back in transition or playing mentally tough defense. Larry Brown isn't the one shooting under 35% over the last 4 games.

How quickly people forget that not even a month ago the Pistons were playing the best ball they had played in years. They hung tight with the Lakers in LA and then beat them at home. When we went on that 4 or 5 game run of playing bat EC teams however our play steadily degrated and continued to do so because we were winning. Well now it's degraded to the point where we aren't winning and the team really needs to redeicated itself to playing Larry ball- the basketball we saw earlier this year where every body crashes the boards and everybody hustles in transition. Guys are simply NOT doing this right now and you have to put THAT on the guys on the floor not the coach.

I guess people just don't want to believe that our players are simply NOT playing well right now, and they need to find it within themselves to pick up their play because there is nothing a coach can do about it.

Larry needs to get the guys together in practice and go back to day 1 and start working on the stuff they did in training camp to try to get the team back to where they were.

If the coach didn't matter, the Pacers would have been the Eastern Conference Champions last year. I suppose if you want, Isiah Thomas would coach the Pistons.

Midnight_Marauder · 12-13-2003, 10:19 AM

I am from Indiana orignally but now live in Michigan. I am still a Pacers fan more than Pistons. I still hate Larry Brown how left the Pacers. Actually I am not that upset, because we are better off without him.

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