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Jewish 1 5.26%
Christian 6 31.58%
Wiccan 0 0%
Bhuddist 1 5.26%
Taoist 1 5.26%
Muslim 1 5.26%
Hindu 0 0%
Atheist 5 26.32%
Scientology 0 0%
Agnostic 2 10.53%
None 2 10.53%
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:13 PM   #31 (permalink)
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"To be agnostic means that I recognize that there is more than I know, and that if I am ever to know more it must be by revelation." .... "A Christian is an avowed agnostic intellectually; his attitude is, "I have reached the limit of my knowledge, and I humbly accept the revelation of God given by Jesus Christ.""

I recognize that i dont understand everything, that "there is more than i know"... So I put my faith in Jesus and trust the authority of the Bible as the right way to live.
not really reflective of how most people are using the word agnostic here (and in the world)

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Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable

Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief.

In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively.[2] In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that humanity does not currently possess the requisite knowledge and/or reason to provide sufficient rational grounds to justify the belief that deities either do or do not exist.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:33 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:34 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Yeah, agnostic means you don't know, not that you don't know, but will accept one interpretation of Christianity just because. Why not accept the Buddha's truth if you really don't know?
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:45 PM   #34 (permalink)
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simplified I think of it this way

god exists (positive assertion)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I dont know<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(positive assertion) god doesnt exist
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:53 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:00 PM   #36 (permalink)
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ok but just so we're clear you're not an agnostic, you're a christian
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:07 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:11 PM   #38 (permalink)
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“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.”

- Christopher Hitchens
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that's not an argument against god, it's an argument against people (who are going to believe all manner of nonsense and work all manner of ills regardless)
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:24 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Ehhrm, yeah, correct. I'm not adding to any argument you may be engaged in; simply, adding a relevant quote in a thread where it pertains.
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sure but a lot of people tend to confuse the two things so just wanted to clarify

(I wonder how Hitchens feels about religion now?)
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Well the fact of the matter is any reference to a "God" in this thread is more likely to concern the humanly constructed concept of a judicious figure heralded by the (also) humanly constructed churches and their aristocratic leadership, not an ever-present, secular humanism compatible force occupying the universe.

And your last sentence is ridiculous. Hitchens would classify your statement as one of the many concerning any possible deathbed recantation, which he vehemently denied all the way to the finish line, all the while fielding questions regarding numerous greats (Paine, notably) and their own alleged deathbed recantations, and playing the role of wisdom when history tends to distort itself.

But to answer it objectively, Hitchens does not "feel" about religion whatsoever. However, as his extensive amount of earthly writing he left us dictates: he did indeed have incredibly strong feelings of religion when he was still taking breaths.
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I'd still call myself an atheist because there is PROBABLY not a God, but in the end I realize that I don't know. Those aggressive atheists can piss me off at times. Nothing I have seen or known convinces me to live my life as if there is a God (and if there is one or many, then which one do I follow?). My main gripe with evangelicals is how they believe that accepting Jesus is more important than living a good life.
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that's not an argument against god, it's an argument against people (who are going to believe all manner of nonsense and work all manner of ills regardless)
Including Hitchens who was a deranged warmonger. The world dodged a bullet when he decided against political office, he did enough damage as a commentator.

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(I wonder how Hitchens feels about religion now?)
As an Aristotelean/Aquinian I wouldn't think he feels anything. (In scholastic terms god would be pure existence, and "hell" eternal separation from god, or non-existence.)
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So what is it exactly that makes you feel Hitch was, in essence, a deranged warmonger who did damage as a commentator. It seems as if you're implying the world did not benefit at all from Christopher Hitchens.
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