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Jewish 1 5.26%
Christian 6 31.58%
Wiccan 0 0%
Bhuddist 1 5.26%
Taoist 1 5.26%
Muslim 1 5.26%
Hindu 0 0%
Atheist 5 26.32%
Scientology 0 0%
Agnostic 2 10.53%
None 2 10.53%
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:23 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Seems like you struggle with reading and rebuttals.

You yourself said he was a "liberal socialist". You said that, it's in print. That is not me assuming or projecting anything.
precisely I said he was a liberal and a socialist - but here's your problem - those are both facts, he was those things

and saying so is not a critical stance but merely an observation - I didnt criticize him for it, just brought it up since it was cogent to the discussion of his turn to the right

but here's your lens coming into play - I stated facts: liberal, socialist - and you saw criticism, that's on you, not me
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Nooooooooo you're not.
Yes, I am. Agorism/voluntarism is about as left wing as it gets.

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Notice how in the thread that's supposed to be a discussion on the merits of religion or some higher force the conversation has made its way to politics and war. They are each intertwined.
Except that the warmonger in question is areligious. Want to keep insisting on the point?

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So you're denouncing Hitchens as a warmonger based on his support of the war in Iraq, I presume, yet in another recent thread you were praising Bush on his approach to civil liberties (all while claiming to be 'further left' than me). Quite the dichotomy you have happening there.
I think you may be confuzzling me with someone else. On PE, during the Shrubya years, I was denounced by the righties because of my antipathy to the modern national security state and the US' militarist foreign policy. I haven't stopped oppsing those things just because there's a donkey in the white house. But my opposition to such things doesn't make me "pro-Bush" or pro any other American president.
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"People have been ripping me off," Bjorkstam told police, according to charging papers. "Rob and I are trying to put a stop to that."
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:29 PM   #63 (permalink)
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precisely I said he was a liberal and a socialist - but here's your problem - those are both facts, he was those things

and saying so is not a critical stance but merely an observation - I didnt criticize him for it, just brought it up since it was cogent to the discussion of his turn to the right

but here's your lens coming into play - I stated facts: liberal, socialist - and you saw criticism, that's on you, not me
Here is your problem: no, they are not. He openly renounced socialism. They said "socialism?" he said Marxism. Your facts? Twisted. A liberal? Sure, you can have that one.

The fact is, I wrote this:

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Well the fact of the matter is any reference to a "God" in this thread is more likely to concern the humanly constructed concept of a judicious figure heralded by the (also) humanly constructed churches and their aristocratic leadership, not an ever-present, secular humanism compatible force occupying the universe.
And then you took that, butchered it through your -- you guessed it: Lens! -- and made this:

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so? the fact that tenents espoused by Christ are essentially socialist and pacifist havent stopped generations of capitalist war mongers from claiming to be christian and doing all manner of ill in his name - not the fault of the tenents, that's all Im saying - dont blame christ for christians or as Nietzsche had it "the last christian died on the cross" and Im not sure that what your saying about the origins of the concept has anything to do with that or anything really
..where no attack was made.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:30 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Hahaha, please dig up where EH praises Bush for civil liberties.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:32 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Notice how in the thread that's supposed to be a discussion on the merits of religion or some higher force the conversation has made its way to politics and war. They are each intertwined.
here's another good example of your lens at work

who introduced Hitchens into this thread? you did
who introduced war and politics etc via the Hitchens quote? you did

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Notice how in the thread that's supposed to be a discussion on the merits of religion or some higher force (sic) the conversation was rerouted to politics and war by me. They are each intertwined by me. It's wierd whenever I start talking about politics and war the conversation turns to politics and war. isnt that wierd? it's wierd right? is it just me? (yes)
and btw the conversation/thread wasnt to do with "the merits of religion or some higher force" (another mis-reading on your part) - it was a fairly simple 'what is your religion' type discussion, you know like the title of the thread
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:34 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Yes, I am. Agorism/voluntarism is about as left wing as it gets.


Except that the warmonger in question is areligious. Want to keep insisting on the point?


I think you may be confuzzling me with someone else. On PE, during the Shrubya years, I was denounced by the righties because of my antipathy to the modern national security state and the US' militarist foreign policy. I haven't stopped oppsing those things just because there's a donkey in the white house. But my opposition to such things doesn't make me "pro-Bush" or pro any other American president.
Okay, we get it, you're super left. Got it. From your chair you readily denounce everything. Got it. But how does any of your post rationalize your declaration of Hitchens as a mere warmonger who did not benefit the world?
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:37 PM   #67 (permalink)
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here's another good example of your lens at work

who introduced Hitchens into this thread? you did
who introduced war and politics etc via the Hitchens quote? you did

so let me fix your quote for you:



and btw the conversation/thread wasnt to do with "the merits of religion or some higher force" (another mis-reading on your part) - it was a fairly simple 'what is your religion' type discussion, you know like the title of the thread
Actually, you're making a fool of yourself and that is your lens at work, my friend. I am well aware that the title of the thread is "what is your religion?"; a thread started by someone assuming everyone adhered to some religion. You've offered nothing from this post and those proceeding it except for attacks.
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Okay, we get it, you're super left. Got it. From your chair you readily denounce everything. Got it. But how does any of your post rationalize your declaration of Hitchens as a mere warmonger who did not benefit the world?
Nooooooo. I am actually full of praise for the very few decent acts done by politicians. I nearly started a thread a few days ago to praise the republican study committee for releasing a policy paper on copyright reform. Unfortunately between the time of the paper's release, my reading it, and logging in here to start the thread, the MPAA & RIAA had got the RSC to pull the policy paper.

As for Hitchens, what good is there? Bad philosophy? Promotion of subjective views while simultaneously claiming that they don't exist (speaking in terms of the philosophical ramifications of his empiricism)? Promotion of cognitive dissonance? Set against that we have the real harm of two decades of warmongering, the promotion of racialist hatred, and providing cover for a rum lot of bastards. Yeah, sorry, no real benefits that I can see.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:44 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Man, **** the MPAA. And the RIAA. Happen to know if there's any rogue links floating around? I'd definitely want to check that out.

As for Nimz asking to dig up quotes, I must say this is my personal favourite display of where E.H. stands when it comes to government:

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The sad truth is that Obama has been worse than Shrubya on civil liberties, and thanks to his cheer squad we're going to become a permanent police state where the voters willfully delude themselves into believing that they're free because they get to participate in a WWE-style event every few years. Welcome to Rome, watch out for the fires, enjoy your stay.
Which is true in so many ways, albeit exaggerated to the moon.
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That's praising Shrubya?
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So e-monk, politics, religion, & war are intertwined by me? Would you care to explain how that is solely a phenomenon occurring in my head, preferably without taking my post and manipulating it in a juvenile manner?
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Also, here's the record of the paper the RSC issued for about an hour. It's a pity they let Hollywood push them around like that.
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As for Hitchens, what good is there? Bad philosophy? Promotion of subjective views while simultaneously claiming that they don't exist (speaking in terms of the philosophical ramifications of his empiricism)? Promotion of cognitive dissonance? Set against that we have the real harm of two decades of warmongering, the promotion of racialist hatred, and providing cover for a rum lot of bastards. Yeah, sorry, no real benefits that I can see.
Babble. Promotion of cognitive dissonance? Are you serious? The promotion of racialist hatred? These "facts" would require some pretty heavy backing, my friend.
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Yes, his promotion of hatred towards the muslim world has helped shape the American outlook on Arabs/muslims, and their subhuman status. And, yes, promoting mutually exclusive ideas (as part of his hideous metaphysical butchery) isn't anything new for the Dawkins/Hitchens crowd.
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One could only wish that Hitchens would have an effect of that magnitude on the American citizenry as a whole. I think you're mistaking the source of his anti-Zionism; Christopher Hitchens did not promote hatred toward the Muslim world, he reported and commented on social and political situations of Muslim states in his capacity as a journalist.

Your insinuation of his "hideous metaphysical butchery" is alarming. What is it of Dawkins that demanded his injection into the conversation? Do you disagree with any belief in particular of his? Or is your disagreement based on science.
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