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**Goulet** · 10-06-2012, 10:29 AM

How are those late picks?

I know Kenneth is a solid GM but to assume he's suddenly a contender is a bit much.

He did trade a nice piece to get a nice piece so he needs to build around him and now doesn't have those two picks to do so.

omer51 · 10-06-2012, 10:35 AM

Kenneth is the best GM in both leagues but those picks are far from being late picks. He still has a lot of work to do to become a contender again...

**BlakeJesus** · 10-06-2012, 10:44 AM

Nikos/Davis/Gortat is a very solid core, especially considering he has cap space and a clear cut cornerstone big to work around.

As to the reference to "late 1sts", generally speaking I will lump everything outside of the lotto as a late 1st. I understand there is greater value in the 18th pick than the 24th pick, but given the caliber of player Anthony Davis is, the difference in value between the picks is negligible.

omer51 · 10-06-2012, 10:49 AM

Mabro and Gortat are solid, but no way he can pass the Clipps, Wolves, Blazers, Pros, Thunder and even the imroving Spurs. i can see those picks in the 8-16 area.

shmip · 10-06-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by omer51

Mabro and Gortat are solid, but no way he can pass the Clipps, Wolves, Blazers, Pros, Thunder and even the imroving Spurs. i can see those picks in the 8-16 area.

+1 , you are all forgetting that injuries might play a rule here.. who knows what will happen .. what i am sure about is that those pick the Mavs acquired wont be the 27 and the 28 picks.

**BlakeJesus** · 10-06-2012, 11:02 AM

If they are 16 and 21 my point nor stance changes. Those picks will likely yield rotation players at best, which clearly has value, but I must reiterate how negligible it is given the talent level of Anthony Davis. This guy can be a perennial MVP/DPOY candidate, and he's only 25 years old.

**Goulet** · 10-06-2012, 11:11 AM

Perennial MVP candidate is a bit much IMO

**Goulet** · 10-06-2012, 11:13 AM

Seem to be forgetting he got MKG here. He's impactful as well.

It's not like this was a Davis for picks trade.

omer51 · 10-06-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Goulet

Seem to be forgetting he got MKG here. He's impactful as well.

It's not like this was a Davis for picks trade.

shmip · 10-06-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

If they are 16 and 21 my point nor stance changes. Those picks will likely yield rotation players at best, which clearly has value, but I must reiterate how negligible it is given the talent level of Anthony Davis. This guy can be a perennial MVP/DPOY candidate, and he's only 25 years old.

As i said in an earlier post , Dre didnt know how the get the best out of Davis.. He should give more when used proparly

**BlakeJesus** · 10-06-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Goulet

Perennial MVP candidate is a bit much IMO

Player Awards
2011 defensive player of the year (2nd)
2011 rookie of the year (1st)
2011 blocks (5th)
2011 all defense 1st team
2011 all rookie 1st team
2012 defensive player of the year (2nd)
2012 blocks (3rd)
2012 all league 2nd team
2012 all defense 1st team
2013 defensive player of the year (2nd)
2013 blocks (4th)
2013 all league 2nd team
2013 all defense 1st team
2014 all defense 3rd team
2015 most valuable player (3rd)
2015 blocks (5th)
2015 all league 2nd team
2015 all defense 2nd team
2016 defensive player of the year (2nd)
2016 all league 3rd team
2016 all defense 1st team

No reason he wouldn't be a pernnial MVP candidate on a competitive team, Mavs have been floating around in limbo for awhile and look at what he's doing still.

MKG is not nearly the same caliber of player as Davis, he's just not.

MemphisX · 10-06-2012, 12:05 PM

Agree with BJ...not a 1st round KO but a KO none the less.

awaywehappened · 10-06-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BlakeJesus

You people need to get your words out of my mouth, I didn't say rape once. I said Kenneth clearly won the trade. Noah is an aging vet with middle of the road value, those first rounders will be late, and Davis is a far superior player to MKG. For a rebuilding team to move a 25 year old franchise cornerstone quality big man and only get back late 1sts, a stop gap big, and a wing who doesn't do any one thing at an elite level makes zero sense to me. It's not a rape, you guys are the ones talking about rape, I just think it's a boneheaded deal for the Mavs and considering what Kenneth had to give up to get a quality player like Davis he clearly wins this deal.

Exactly my thoughts.

wichmae · 10-06-2012, 09:43 PM

BTW I flipped Noah for two more firsts, Sessions, and Babel.

awaywehappened · 10-06-2012, 10:53 PM

2 late first. Insignificant.

10-06-2012, 10:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
Goulet P4: Paolo Forlini Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Trade: Dallas and LA Lakers How are those late picks? I know Kenneth is a solid GM but to assume he's suddenly a contender is a bit much. He did trade a nice piece to get a nice piece so he needs to build around him and now doesn't have those two picks to do so. __________________

10-06-2012, 10:35 AM	#17 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,517 Rep Power: 1519483	Re: Trade: Dallas and LA Lakers Kenneth is the best GM in both leagues but those picks are far from being late picks. He still has a lot of work to do to become a contender again... __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics

10-06-2012, 10:44 AM	#18 (permalink)
BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 17,051 Rep Power: 12803038	Re: Trade: Dallas and LA Lakers Nikos/Davis/Gortat is a very solid core, especially considering he has cap space and a clear cut cornerstone big to work around. As to the reference to "late 1sts", generally speaking I will lump everything outside of the lotto as a late 1st. I understand there is greater value in the 18th pick than the 24th pick, but given the caliber of player Anthony Davis is, the difference in value between the picks is negligible. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

10-06-2012, 10:49 AM	#19 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,517 Rep Power: 1519483	Re: Trade: Dallas and LA Lakers Mabro and Gortat are solid, but no way he can pass the Clipps, Wolves, Blazers, Pros, Thunder and even the imroving Spurs. i can see those picks in the 8-16 area. __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics

10-06-2012, 11:02 AM	#21 (permalink)
BlakeJesus Community Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Age: 23 Posts: 17,051 Rep Power: 12803038	Re: Trade: Dallas and LA Lakers If they are 16 and 21 my point nor stance changes. Those picks will likely yield rotation players at best, which clearly has value, but I must reiterate how negligible it is given the talent level of Anthony Davis. This guy can be a perennial MVP/DPOY candidate, and he's only 25 years old. __________________ Jalen Rose - "Positions were created so the novice could follow the game. You ARE your skillset." 2024 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2026 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks 2027 KVBL Champions: Atlanta Hawks

10-06-2012, 11:11 AM	#22 (permalink)
Goulet P4: Paolo Forlini Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Trade: Dallas and LA Lakers Perennial MVP candidate is a bit much IMO __________________

10-06-2012, 11:13 AM	#23 (permalink)
Goulet P4: Paolo Forlini Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: VA Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 915585	Re: Trade: Dallas and LA Lakers Seem to be forgetting he got MKG here. He's impactful as well. It's not like this was a Davis for picks trade. __________________

10-06-2012, 12:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
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10-06-2012, 09:43 PM	#29 (permalink)
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