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Smath · 11-29-2012, 02:44 PM

you don't have to worry about that stuff , as you saw FRSL is ran exactly like KVBL is , everything on in time. the main problem was lack of GM's / GM's activaty.

**Prince** · 11-29-2012, 02:48 PM

Yeah I'm confident that Omer/Shmip will keep things running smoothly.

omer51 · 11-29-2012, 02:49 PM

it's probably going to be Omer/Smath/Shmip.

**Prince** · 11-29-2012, 02:54 PM

Even better. Should keep it running real smooth.

**Dornado** · 11-29-2012, 03:15 PM

Oh, I know, I'm just saying that's where The League fell short. That, and the foul rate was out of control... and teams weren't taking 3 pointers

BballJay · 11-29-2012, 03:39 PM

I'm in for whatever!

awaywehappened · 11-29-2012, 05:16 PM

Retro might not be a bad idea...

kevinblazer · 11-29-2012, 08:45 PM

whatever is fine by me. dont break your back trying to keep something going that is doomed. but count me in if you try to keep it alive.

JerryWest · 11-29-2012, 09:23 PM

Here are some suggestions:
Have less inital teams: only 22 or something. Keep all the current active owners and have two open slots of new owners tops. If they league needs more owners than we phase in expansion drafts of a 1 new team per season or something. This way we don't have to worry about new owners that are more likely to drop out.

For the drafts, one problem is everyone knows when the loaded drafts are going to be. So may create 3 draft classes in advance, assign a number between 1 to 3 for each class. At the all star break, a independent owner can pick a random number (I can run this on a random number generator) which will pick which draft class is used. This way, no one (including commishes) has an advantage of knowing if a good, average, or bad draft class is coming in. A new draft class is created which will be added to the pool of 3 for next season.

Insert a rule where you have to keep one draft pick that belongs to your own team for every two years. This prevents people from going all in and quitting if their all in move doesn't work.

**El Shaqtus** · 11-29-2012, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryWest

Here are some suggestions:
Have less inital teams: only 22 or something. Keep all the current active owners and have two open slots of new owners tops. If they league needs more owners than we phase in expansion drafts of a 1 new team per season or something. This way we don't have to worry about new owners that are more likely to drop out.

For the drafts, one problem is everyone knows when the loaded drafts are going to be. So may create 3 draft classes in advance, assign a number between 1 to 3 for each class. At the all star break, a independent owner can pick a random number (I can run this on a random number generator) which will pick which draft class is used. This way, no one (including commishes) has an advantage of knowing if a good, average, or bad draft class is coming in. A new draft class is created which will be added to the pool of 3 for next season.

Insert a rule where you have to keep one draft pick that belongs to your own team for every two years. This prevents people from going all in and quitting if their all in move doesn't work.

I even mentioned your first point to Omer this afternoon. Creative thoughts on the draft.

JerryWest · 11-29-2012, 09:32 PM

It took KVBL about two years to build an ownership base where it to 90%+ activity of 26+ people. So I don't think that's a big issue. FRSL has a core of 20 active owners which is really good. The problem I feel is the expectation that the 7-8 other owners need to be active when they are new. If we phase in new teams slowly, I feel that fixes a big problem associated with quitting owners.

Requiring one pick (belonging to your own team) every two years is a necessity IMO. It's something that maybe 5-6 seasons down the line you can phase out if you have 25 + active owners, but until you reach that point where you know you have enough committed owners, you need to require teams to keep one pick every two years. Just my 2 cents.

hunerman · 11-29-2012, 09:38 PM

The only problem is that a retro league drafts are boring/predictable.
I think we should just rename every prospect, but keep the molds the same.
Thoughts?

JerryWest · 11-29-2012, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunerman

The only problem is that a retro league drafts are boring/predictable.
I think we should just rename every prospect, but keep the molds the same.
Thoughts?

I agree that retro league drafts are more boring because they make scouting less important.

For the initial snake draft, I think its okay to have players 100% accurate in terms of projected stats. But for actual draft classes, there needs to be variability from what they are in real life. You can keep the basic essence of guys, IE good defenders have defense as their strength. But you need to give them different base ratings and growth potential so people can't make decisions based off of basketball reference.com

kevinblazer · 11-29-2012, 09:52 PM

not enough luis ortiz in frsl

Drizzy · 11-29-2012, 09:58 PM

I've long thought we should go ahead with slightly less teams like Kenneth just suggested.

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11-29-2012, 02:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
Smath All-Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tel-Aviv Israel Posts: 5,092 Rep Power: 344832	re: New Retro League? you don't have to worry about that stuff , as you saw FRSL is ran exactly like KVBL is , everything on in time. the main problem was lack of GM's / GM's activaty. __________________ KVBL/FRSL - Miami Heat GM 2029 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Sergio Jose Salvadores \| SG Chris Love \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Malcolm Xavier 2025 KVBL Champions: Miami Heat (Smath) Lineup - PG Chris Love \| SG Gerrod Clifton \| SF Malcolm Xavier \| PF Skyler McClean \| C Jeremy James \| 6th man SG Edd Timmons Finals MVP: Skyler McClean 2016-2017 FRSL Champions PG: Jrue Holiday /// SG: Monta Ellis /// SF: Josh Smith /// PF: Tim Duncan /// C: Andrew Bynum /// 6th player: Devin Ebanks /// Playoffs MVP: Andew Bynum

11-29-2012, 02:48 PM	#17 (permalink)
Prince Formerly Known as Quite Frankly Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 11,815 Rep Power: 4606109	re: New Retro League? Yeah I'm confident that Omer/Shmip will keep things running smoothly. __________________ 2032 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Eddy Sweet \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Andre Wright Finals MVP: Greg Hope 2033 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Joseph McDaniels \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Peter Acres Finals MVP: Greg Hope Fear the Deer Minnesota Timberwolves

11-29-2012, 02:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
omer51 All-Star Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 6,264 Rep Power: 1391452	re: New Retro League? it's probably going to be Omer/Smath/Shmip. __________________ FRSL commissioner Sonics

11-29-2012, 02:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
Prince Formerly Known as Quite Frankly Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 11,815 Rep Power: 4606109	re: New Retro League? Even better. Should keep it running real smooth. __________________ 2032 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Eddy Sweet \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Andre Wright Finals MVP: Greg Hope 2033 KVBL Champions: Milwaukee Bucks (Prince) Lineup - PG D'Angelo McMillian \| SG Joseph McDaniels \| SF Cameron Clothier \| PF Mario Rogic \| C Greg Hope \| 6th man C Peter Acres Finals MVP: Greg Hope Fear the Deer Minnesota Timberwolves

11-29-2012, 03:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
Dornado Community Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: WI Posts: 10,335 Rep Power: 10609191	re: New Retro League? Oh, I know, I'm just saying that's where The League fell short. That, and the foul rate was out of control... and teams weren't taking 3 pointers __________________

11-29-2012, 03:39 PM	#21 (permalink)
BballJay Benchwarmer Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 181 Rep Power: 2	re: New Retro League? I'm in for whatever! __________________ FRSL-Nets

11-29-2012, 05:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
awaywehappened KVBL's Worst GM Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,646 Rep Power: 0	re: New Retro League? Retro might not be a bad idea... __________________ 2031 KVBL Champions: Detroit Pistons (awaywehappened) Lineup - PG Brian Brown \| SG Quandre Clowney \| SF James Russell \| PF Lewis Barker \| C Alistair Maynard \| 6th man SG Osmosis Clearwater Finals MVP: James Russell

11-29-2012, 08:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
kevinblazer fsrl blazers kvbl nuggets Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: portland Posts: 1,349 Rep Power: 151605	re: New Retro League? whatever is fine by me. dont break your back trying to keep something going that is doomed. but count me in if you try to keep it alive.

11-29-2012, 09:23 PM	#24 (permalink)
JerryWest All-Star Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 8,395 Rep Power: 2185328	re: New Retro League? Here are some suggestions: Have less inital teams: only 22 or something. Keep all the current active owners and have two open slots of new owners tops. If they league needs more owners than we phase in expansion drafts of a 1 new team per season or something. This way we don't have to worry about new owners that are more likely to drop out. For the drafts, one problem is everyone knows when the loaded drafts are going to be. So may create 3 draft classes in advance, assign a number between 1 to 3 for each class. At the all star break, a independent owner can pick a random number (I can run this on a random number generator) which will pick which draft class is used. This way, no one (including commishes) has an advantage of knowing if a good, average, or bad draft class is coming in. A new draft class is created which will be added to the pool of 3 for next season. Insert a rule where you have to keep one draft pick that belongs to your own team for every two years. This prevents people from going all in and quitting if their all in move doesn't work. __________________ KVBL Basketball Sim, Los Angeles Lakers FRSL, Los Angeles Lakers Season 2 Champs (64-18), Season 4 Champs (66-16), Season 5 Champs (72-10)

11-29-2012, 09:32 PM	#26 (permalink)
JerryWest All-Star Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 8,395 Rep Power: 2185328	re: New Retro League? It took KVBL about two years to build an ownership base where it to 90%+ activity of 26+ people. So I don't think that's a big issue. FRSL has a core of 20 active owners which is really good. The problem I feel is the expectation that the 7-8 other owners need to be active when they are new. If we phase in new teams slowly, I feel that fixes a big problem associated with quitting owners. Requiring one pick (belonging to your own team) every two years is a necessity IMO. It's something that maybe 5-6 seasons down the line you can phase out if you have 25 + active owners, but until you reach that point where you know you have enough committed owners, you need to require teams to keep one pick every two years. Just my 2 cents. __________________ KVBL Basketball Sim, Los Angeles Lakers FRSL, Los Angeles Lakers Season 2 Champs (64-18), Season 4 Champs (66-16), Season 5 Champs (72-10)

11-29-2012, 09:38 PM	#27 (permalink)
hunerman Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,001 Rep Power: 3	re: New Retro League? The only problem is that a retro league drafts are boring/predictable. I think we should just rename every prospect, but keep the molds the same. Thoughts? __________________

11-29-2012, 09:52 PM	#29 (permalink)
kevinblazer fsrl blazers kvbl nuggets Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: portland Posts: 1,349 Rep Power: 151605	re: New Retro League? not enough luis ortiz in frsl

11-29-2012, 09:58 PM	#30 (permalink)
Drizzy Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,249 Rep Power: 597426	re: New Retro League? I've long thought we should go ahead with slightly less teams like Kenneth just suggested. __________________ KVBL Lions/FRSL Pacers/BBBL Heat 2016 FRSL Champions: Indiana Pacers (Drizzy) Lineup - PG Rajon Rondo \| SG Jared Dudley \| SF Nicolas Batum \| PF J.J. Hickson \| C Dwight Howard \| 6th man SG/SF Wesley Matthews Finals MVP: Dwight Howard #55 Shaun Jacobs (Lions)

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