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colossus735 · 02-07-2003, 06:49 AM

Hello fellow Warrior fans, keeping in mind the recent comments from Jay Williams and the actions of Gilbert Arenas made me think if a move may be necessary. I know the Warriors are winning and changing the chemistry is bad, but I have this feeling that, regardless of the statements that Arenas said about wanting to stay w/ the Warriors, he might just ending up leaving for a team that promises him the minutes he wants and of course pay him more. Jay Williams is unhappy in Chicago and misses the "family" feel that he had in Duke. Therefore, take a look at this trade and let me know what you guys think:

Chicago trades: PG Jay Williams (9.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.3 apg in 28.8 minutes)
C Eddy Curry (6.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.4 minutes)
Chicago receives: PG Gilbert Arenas (16.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 6.3 apg in 34.9 minutes)
SF Chris Mills (4.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 10.8 minutes)

Golden State trades: PG Gilbert Arenas (16.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 6.3 apg in 34.9 minutes)
SF Chris Mills (4.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 10.8 minutes)
Golden State receives: PG Jay Williams (9.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.3 apg in 42 games)
C Eddy Curry (6.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 48 games)

Golden State would also give a future no. 1 pick, but not this year's pick and maybe the rights to Logan. (If possible)

My feeling on bringing Jay Williams to Golden State is to reunite him w/ Dunleavy Jr. (his roommate at Duke) and hopefully making feel more at home. Jay Williams has shows signs of being a good player, but I think that the way Chicago is handling their players is effecting his game. Also E.Curry has fallen out of favor w/ Krause and is looking to move him. Chis Mills contract ends next year, so he'll have more cap room to play around with. Being that Curry is still young, I don't mind rolling the dice on him and seeing what happens. His contract ends in 3 years anyway.

Also, the is word that the Warriors have approached the Pacers about Austin Croshere.

Golden State trades: PG Jiri Welsch (2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 8.4 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12.5 minutes)
Golden State receives: PF Austin Croshere (4.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.5 minutes)

Warriors would give up a future no. 2 pick.

Indiana trades: PF Austin Croshere (4.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.5 minutes)
Indiana receives: PG Jiri Welsch (2.2 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.2 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 16 games)

Indiana would give up a no. 1 pick. (Indiana's payroll will skyrocket resigning their free agents this year, so they'll be more inclined to give up a 1st round guaranteed contract just like Philly did w/ the pick that landed Welsch).

After the trades, here is the end result:

Jay Williams/E.Boykins
Jason Richardson/Bob Sura
Antawn Jamison/Mike Dunleavy Jr.
Troy Murphy/Austin Croshere
Erick Dampier/Adonal Foyle/Eddie Curry

This lineup will insure the minutes for everyone. There is no log jam at any position. Mussleman will have a nice rotation here and has the ability to motivate guys like Curry, Croshere, and Williams. Richardson has fallen off a bit from his rookie year, but his outside shooting IS getting better. If he evolves into a Finley type player, I'll take it. Just as long he doesn’t turn into a Rider or Harold Minor and gets lost in the system.

Finally when the expansion draft comes, the Warriors can protect up to 8 players:

Jamison
Williams
Richardson
Dunleavy
Murphy
Boykins
Foyle
Curry

If the Charlotte team take Sura, Dampier, or Croshere it will just free up major cap room for the Warriors to resign existing players or pick a free agent. I think this could work. Just takes some imagination on St. Jean's part to come up with an attractive trade for the Bulls to take.

rainman · 02-07-2003, 04:10 PM

first of all i dont think croshere is the answer,second and let me get his straight,you are going to send a non entity in chris mills and a second rounder in arenas and get the 2nd pick in last years draft (williams)and another top pick in curry and the only kicker is you are throwing in a 1st rounder somewhere in the future?now i know bulls management isnt too bright but do you really think they are that stupid?

Jason Caffeine · 02-07-2003, 06:06 PM

I like both trades, although the Bulls trade seems a little bit too one-sided.

**Vintage** · 02-07-2003, 06:08 PM

lemme say

HELL NO.

Never will happen. EVER!

colossus735 · 02-09-2003, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rainman!
first of all i dont think croshere is the answer,second and let me get his straight,you are going to send a non entity in chris mills and a second rounder in arenas and get the 2nd pick in last years draft (williams)and another top pick in curry and the only kicker is you are throwing in a 1st rounder somewhere in the future?now i know bulls management isnt too bright but do you really think they are that stupid?

*Im not saying Croshere is the answer by any means, but at least he'll contribute better than Fortson.

*Who cares if Arenas was a second rounder? He's playing like a lottery pick right now. Mills contract is there cause his contract will be up next year and allow Krause to have more cap room.

*Not only do I think, but I believe that the Bulls management is very stupid. They broke up their championship team right after winning another title. They let Jackson go after leading their team to 6 titles. Im not a Bulls fan, but that Jordan/Pippen/Rodman team had definitly one, maybe two, titles left in them.

*Krause trade an All-Star player in Brand for Chandler. Nuff said.

While my trades are far fetched, sometime its those far fetched trades that spark a trade that might just work out.

Jason Caffeine · 02-09-2003, 12:47 PM

On second thought, I'd like to keep Arenas at home.

colossus735 · 02-10-2003, 05:22 AM

Yeah after his showing in the Rookie vs Soph. game, I want him to stay. My fear is if he is going to stay.

Vinsanity · 02-11-2003, 02:38 PM

trade JRich before you trade Arenas......

BBallFan · 02-11-2003, 02:45 PM

What value does Arenas actually have?

He's an UFA this offseason, and he doesn't have bird rights.

Ballin101 · 02-11-2003, 07:14 PM

I agree with BBallFan. Arenas is a UFA, so trading him to someone doesn't do that team any good because they have just as good a chance of signing him as everyone else. Arenas isn't going anywhere.

**Damian Necronamous** · 02-11-2003, 07:18 PM

Trading Gilbert Arenas would probably be the stupidest move the Warriors could make.

They need to keep him and Richardson as long as possible, they are the future of this team.

dr-dru · 02-11-2003, 07:50 PM

yup..the warriors would be making the stupidest move ever..arenas and jrich are only in there 2nd years. if history is right, they have lots to improve or the warriors will do something stupid and trade one or both of them away.

colossus735 · 02-18-2003, 05:36 AM

At the end of the season, the Warriors will only be able to offer just a bit more than the salary cap exception which willl only be about 4.5 million plus. He falls under the non-Bird rule (less than 3 yrs w/ the same team) so the Warriors cannot offer a larger contract than that. Unless he really wants to stay at Golden State, he can take a 1 year contract and then resign a larger contract after. But then he will take a risk playing for less money for that one year, because if he suffers a career ending injury, then he will be assed out of money that Denver or any other team who may have offered him a larger contract. Arenas's agent will more than likely point that out to him. That alone may prompt him to sign a large contract elsewhere to insure his future. Hopefully the Warriors can lay his worries to rest and give him some assurance that he will be taken care of. I'm sure they can sign him to a muli year contract with a player opt out at then end of the 1st year to resign him for more money.

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