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dr-dru · 02-28-2003, 05:00 PM

is this a warrior - nugget rivalry growing ?

nybus54 · 03-01-2003, 01:25 PM

Not yet, but it could be next year when Gil is on OUR team.

colossus735 · 03-02-2003, 06:14 AM

First of all, your assesment over denvers weather is 100% false. Have you ever even been here? It is not that cold here. It is warmer than almost every east coast city. Also, i think an extra
4-6 mil will warm gilbert up if that is what it takes.

This is not my assesment. I've never been to Denver so I dont know. I just restated what I read out of a online news article from a Denver paper.

dr-dru · 03-02-2003, 07:27 AM

have you ever been to california? theres mroe to living here than the weather. and the weather here is the best.

colossus735 · 03-02-2003, 07:55 AM

Hey NugzFan, man dont hate on me cause Denver is the toilet bowl of the league. I dont care what other boards talk about. I only post here. I dont have the time to hunt through the internet looking to prove every else wrong and impose my beliefs on everyone else. Its either your very passionate for your Nuggets (which is great, I can appreciate that) or in badly need of a bran muffin. Whether my thoughts are right or wrong their still my own. I believe that Arenas will resign w/ the Warriors for my reasons and you believe Arenas will sign w/ Denver for yours. Fine.

as for arenas, weather is no concern. he knows denvers weather yet still likes the franchise and will consider us this summer. thats all i ask. it comes down to less money/loyalty or more money/new team. thats it. 50-50. besides he can buy ALOT of nice coats, hummers and heaters for 30 million bucks (or more)

Of course Arenas will consider Denver and all other offers. He has an agent who handles his contract and a family to take care of. I never said he wouldnt, but I "feel" in the end he'll stick w/ Golden State. Duncan listened to other offers when he became a free agent, why would Arenas?

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Besides, word is now that Warriors will offer a multi year contract w/ a player opt out at the end of the 1st year of the contract. That way he can resign for more money. If by chance he recieves a career ending injury before the season ends, he can still collect on the multi year contract given to him.

and if you believe that, then you know nothing about the cba since that is ILLEGAL.

Cherokee Parks (SAS) signed a 2-year, $1.5 million contract with the Spurs. The second season is a player option worth $825 thousand.

The Mavericks re-signed Eduardo Najera to a 6-year, $24.0 million contract. He can opt out after the 5th season.

The Timberwolves signed Wally Szczerbiak to a 6-year, $63 million contract extension. He can opt out after the 5th season.

The Nets signed Rodney Rogers to a 3-year, $9.4 million contract. Rogers can opt out after the second year.

(Go check Real GM, I found the contract listings there. All I did was cut a paste.)

Need anymore contract examples? There are not many player opt contracts there because of the fear of career ending injuries. The contact I mentioned was not set in stone, but rather an idea to a short term solution. Usually team sign a contract w/ a team option built in like:

The Nuggets signed Maybyner "Nene" Hilario to a 3-year, $6.8 million contract with a team option for the 4th year worth $3.1 million.

The Nuggets signed Nikoloz Tskitishvili to a 3-year, $8.2 million contract with a team option for the 4th year worth $3.7 million.

That way, when these guys dont pan out you can let them go and try to sign someone else.

colossus735 · 03-02-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by dr-dru!
have you ever been to california? theres mroe to living here than the weather. and the weather here is the best.

I have lived in the Bay Area for over 30 years. Besides Southern California, the weather in the Bay Area is best I've experienced. Not too hot, not too cold. Not too much rain. An earthquake once in a while, but that it. NOW living in the Bay Area is another thing. I have too many gripes w/ the freeway system and the cost of living, but thats for another post. Good thing I have a good job to even stay in the area. Again, Im not arguing the weather w/ you, I was just restated a comment that Arenas and his teammates made the last time they were in Denver. I watch the Rockies's games from time to time and the weather always looks great. Myself? I cant take the cold.

NugzFan · 03-02-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by colossus735!
Hey NugzFan, man dont hate on me cause Denver is the toilet bowl of the league. I dont care what other boards talk about. I only post here. I dont have the time to hunt through the internet looking to prove every else wrong and impose my beliefs on everyone else. Its either your very passionate for your Nuggets (which is great, I can appreciate that) or in badly need of a bran muffin. Whether my thoughts are right or wrong their still my own. I believe that Arenas will resign w/ the Warriors for my reasons and you believe Arenas will sign w/ Denver for yours. Fine.

lol. im not hatin. you messed up, thats all.

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Of course Arenas will consider Denver and all other offers. He has an agent who handles his contract and a family to take care of. I never said he wouldnt, but I "feel" in the end he'll stick w/ Golden State. Duncan listened to other offers when he became a free agent, why would Arenas?

what does that last sentence even mean? it sounds like you just went against everything you were saying.

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Cherokee Parks (SAS) signed a 2-year, $1.5 million contract with the Spurs. The second season is a player option worth $825 thousand.

The Mavericks re-signed Eduardo Najera to a 6-year, $24.0 million contract. He can opt out after the 5th season.

The Timberwolves signed Wally Szczerbiak to a 6-year, $63 million contract extension. He can opt out after the 5th season.

The Nets signed Rodney Rogers to a 3-year, $9.4 million contract. Rogers can opt out after the second year.

(Go check Real GM, I found the contract listings there. All I did was cut a paste.)

Need anymore contract examples? There are not many player opt contracts there because of the fear of career ending injuries. The contact I mentioned was not set in stone, but rather an idea to a short term solution. Usually team sign a contract w/ a team option built in like:

The Nuggets signed Maybyner "Nene" Hilario to a 3-year, $6.8 million contract with a team option for the 4th year worth $3.1 million.

The Nuggets signed Nikoloz Tskitishvili to a 3-year, $8.2 million contract with a team option for the 4th year worth $3.7 million.

That way, when these guys dont pan out you can let them go and try to sign someone else.

HOLY ****! dude, you are helarious. you know nothing about the cba, and then when you try to prove me wrong, you gave me examples that prove me RIGHT! lol!

i wasnt saying OPT OUTS are illegal...they arent. you said a multi year deal with an opt out after year 1 = ILLEGAL. lol.

you can only opt out of the last year of a contract. a 2 year deal can have an opt out after 1 year...a multi year deal (which is often 5 or 6) you can ONLY opt out after the LAST YEAR, not year 1.

and we both know arenas is not signing a short deal, his agent laughed off the possibility.

WHATS UP NUGZFAN? LETS BE NICE! -JC

NugzFan · 03-02-2003, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by colossus735!

I have lived in the Bay Area for over 30 years. Besides Southern California, the weather in the Bay Area is best I've experienced. Not too hot, not too cold. Not too much rain. An earthquake once in a while, but that it. NOW living in the Bay Area is another thing. I have too many gripes w/ the freeway system and the cost of living, but thats for another post. Good thing I have a good job to even stay in the area. Again, Im not arguing the weather w/ you, I was just restated a comment that Arenas and his teammates made the last time they were in Denver. I watch the Rockies's games from time to time and the weather always looks great. Myself? I cant take the cold.

ok cool...you seem happy. but would you move to do the exact same job in denver for a HUGE pay raise? yes you would.

colossus735 · 03-02-2003, 01:03 PM

You just jump on any little thing I write and run away w/ it don’t you? I said its not set in stone, but just a start of something that could be a short-term solution. Jesus Christ! Ok, hows this: We offer Arenas a contract like Rogers got w/ the Nets. The Nets signed Rodney Rogers to a 3-year, $9.4 million contract. Rogers can opt out after the second year. But the Warriors offer the most they can allow, which about 4.5 million. Is that ok for starters Mr. League official for player contacts? Does the CBA allow this contract?

Secondly, sorry to disappoint you but money is not the driving force in my life. I don’t make decisions solely based on a money factor. My family is here, I've built a home here, a business, and I would not move just for the money. Making 4 million in the one place and 7 million in another? What’s the difference? Yeah its 3 million, but who cares? I can die tomorrow and it wont really matter now, will it? I can only drive so many cars at one time. Live only in one house at a time, but I would buy a place in Vegas. Buy my floor seats for Warriors, 50 yard line tickets for the Raiders, I'll come visit Denver to see a Avalanche game or maybe if the NBA All Star game comes to town, but I know that I wont be there for any playoff games.

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Of course Arenas will consider Denver and all other offers. He has an agent who handles his contract and a family to take care of. I never said he wouldnt, but I "feel" in the end he'll stick w/ Golden State. Duncan listened to other offers when he became a free agent, why would Arenas?

Here is my rewrite Mr. English 1A

Of course Arenas will be open to listen to all offers when the season ends. His agent will let him know whats on the table, because one, all agents are scum, and two he has a family to take care of. "I feel in the in the end, he will stick w/ Golden State." When Duncan became a free agent, he too listened to all offers, but still resigned w/ the Spurs. Arenas owes it to himself to listen to these other offers as well.

HOLY ****! dude, you are helarious.

Since were on the subject of nit picking. its Hilarious, not helarious. Hell is being a Nugget fan.

**STOMP** · 03-03-2003, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by colossus735!
the truth is that in the NBA free agency is really only good for getting a piece or two to finished what already exists.

Like Shaq coming to LA? There are no tried and true rules for how to build an team, and every situation is different. Kiki has set the Nuggets up to be players in the FA market while others are stuck sitting on their hands, and that likely will translate into some very good players accepting his offers. If they get lucky and win the James lottery, an Arenas/James backcourt could go down as an All-Time great. I'm already sold on Nene. Dude is a horse.

I'm not a fan of either team (GSW or Nugs) but I think Denver is in better shape to make a run at championships. GS has many deadwieght contracts courtesy of Saint's inept wheelin' n dealin' (and massively overpaying), and will be handicapped by the cap for the foreseeable future. If Kiki plays it right, and doesn't spend just for the sake of doing something, over the next couple of seasons he should be able to pick up the pieces necessary to build a top club.

STOMP

NISMO · 03-04-2003, 09:55 AM

What ever you say negative against the warriors.. fact remains... your team has in the past has always.. SUCKED.. plain and simple..

And you try to compare our line up to yours.. please... That is why our team is a game away from .500 ball and 2 games from the 8th seed.. and where are you guys.. still in the rutt.

Dead weight contracts.. maybe but those deadweights are playing better than most of your denver players put together.. the warriors as of now.. and for most of the year.. is either 2nd as of now and 3rd for most of the year as most potent scorering team in the NBA next only to DALLAS and SACRAMENTO.. which denver won't even be close to smelling... so please don't even try to compare GSW to your walking doormatt of a team in denver.

AS much as caproom you guys have.. Your team will never land a top tier free agent.. in the likes of Kidd, Duncan.. etc.. you might get some second tier player... like Kandiman or something just like chitown had all the cap room and all they got is sorryass mercer...

Consider this whatever.. diss or what... but I am just telling you the truth..

**STOMP** · 03-04-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by NISMO!
What ever you say negative against the warriors.. fact remains... your team has in the past has always.. SUCKED.. plain and simple..

...and the W's haven't sucked... plain and simple for the past decade? The W's fans can hardly look down their noses at the lowly Nuggets... they've been bottomfeeding franchises for years now. Perhaps instead of accusing me of being a trippin' Denver fan you should take the time to comprehend my post when I stated... "I'm not a fan of either team (GSW or Nugs) but I think Denver is in better shape to make a run at championships" and then give clear reasons why. The W's have had a nice little run this season, and Gilbert has been a major part of it... his play may even be THE main reason. But Saint has spent all the money on Jamison, Fortson, Sura, and Damp, and likely GA will be following the money to Denver. That would be a major step forward for the Nuggets and backwards for the W's right? Add on that after signing Gil they'll still have the caproom for two more major FA signings plus one of the top picks to add to their young talent, and Denver's future is very bright IMO. Perhaps the W's will adequately fill Arenas spot with one of the many fine PG prospects that are coming out, but I think those are some big shoes to fill. I'd expect that their other young talent will continue to progress, but I'm not a believer in Richardson's game so far.

I'm not trying to be "negative" on the Warriors, just giving an honestly held opinion on what I think is likely to transpire.

STOMP

JoeF · 03-04-2003, 03:28 PM

I think that opt outs are legal anytime after the the 5th or 6th year of a contract has been fulfilled and can include performance requirements.
Option can be used on any length of contract. One bad thing about signing Arenas to a contract with a player option after the first year is that that option year makes the player untradeable. It is equivalent to signing the one year tender offer on a restricted free agent.
Example - If Arenas signs a contract for one year plus a player option the league counts that as a one year contract until the option is picked up. That puts the team and/or player in the same boat as the Clippers/Olowakandi because of Bird rights. Arenas could decide to not exercise the option and walk after one year. The only thing the Warriors could do is explore a sign and trade in the off season.

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