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colossus735 · 02-24-2003, 08:10 AM

In the past, the Warriors have had a very bad habit of making bad moves. This year the trading deadline has come and gone, but the Golden State Warriors did not make one move. St.Jean did have a few rumors floating around, but nothing came about. Now, strapped for cap room to resign their budding star, Gilbert Arenas, the Warriors are left without any options right? Wrong. After reading an article from the SF Chronicle, I realized what the Warriors are up to.

If the Warriors had pulled off all of these trades to dump contracts, then Warrior's lineup/bench would be left a bit thinner. Rumored to be traded were like players: Dunleavy, Sura, Dampier, Fortson, Foyle, and Mills. Many of these players are part of the regular rotation and play a major roll in the team's turn around this year. But what if they did pull of some of their proposed trades and Arenas left to sign with another team during the off season? Then the Warriors would not only lose a point guard, but also may roll players that just cant be replaced in the free agent market. Can you find another shot blocker like Foyle who hussles his *** off every night? A versitile player like Sura? If they keep the team intact and lose Arenas, then they will only have to sign or draft a new point guard. In the SF Chronicle, Warrior officals have announced that they are willing to pay a luxury tax to keep Arenas. This not only shows their commitment to Arenas, but also to the rest of the guys who are contributing to make this team more respectable. Whether of not this is true, this at least tells me where the Warriors upper management's head and heart is at. Cause no one becomes a champion with out a good supporting cast. Ask Kobe, Shaq, and Jordan what good role players can do for them. In the end, players like Fortson, Dampier, and Mills may be a casualty of the salary cap but at least the main components will remain the same. Go Warriors!

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jus · 02-24-2003, 10:23 AM

but isnt it fair to say that the warriors' relative success this yr is due to the play of arenas ?

along with troy murphy, arenas has been the success story of the warriors

fact remains that u have only $4.5m to offer him and denver is gonna offer him more

as for drafting for a new point guard, with the pick that u'll have, it's pretty unlikely to get another player with arenas' impact

in any case, drafts are a hit or miss thing when u get into the 2nd tier of picks, arenas is clearly a big hit, for the warriors, it's not too often u do that (again, troy murphy is the exception as well)

colossus735 · 02-24-2003, 11:31 AM

I totally agree that Arenas is playing a big part in the Warriors success. But this is team sport and the team as a whole has shown improvement. Jamison is a top 20 scorer, Richardson has risen his 3pt shooting percentage, Damp. is staying healthy, Foyle is alot more aggressive that I've ever seen, Sura is contributing, Dunleavey seems to be finding his shot, Boykins is strong off the bench, and the Muss is doing a great job as a coach and modivator. Denver may have the ability sign him for more, but if the Warriors can move some contracts at the end of the season (mainly Damp, Fortson, Mills, and even Sura) then the Warriors can keep their main stable of talent and even offer more money that then the 4.5 million. Might not be a 6+ million dollar contract, but could be enough to keep Arenas in Golden State. I'm basically banking on the fact that Golden State was the team that drafted him when everyone else passed him up, his buddies Richardson and Murphy are here, Jamison stressing to the media that Arenas is our man and needs to stay here, and that he wants to stay close to home (LA). Im like EBay, I feel everyone is good until they do something to change my mind.

As far as the draft goes, you never know. The Warriors got Arenas in the second round, didnt they? Looking at the players that may be available when the Warriors pick may be: Troy Bell, Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, Marcus Banks, and any other players who stock will rise as the draft get closer. Reece Gaines is player coming out reminds me an Arenas. Can play both guard positions and can score, as well as handle the ball.

Who knows what the future may hold. Everything I say might be thrown out the window if Arenas signs with Denver the second he becomes a free agent. He may stay for less money and resign for more money later. Its a game of numbers, emotions, and egos. (The reason I HATE AGENTS!) I just hope Arenas sees what he has helped to build in Golden State and takes what Jamison said a few years ago when he was in Arena's shoes: "I want to be the reason that this team becomes a winner. Not to be added to an exsisting team and just go along for the ride." Good post jus.

dr-dru · 02-24-2003, 03:30 PM

i hear alot of talk about arenas going to denver next year from forum talk. why would arenas choose to go to denver? he has said he would like to stay in california since his home is in L.A. i'm not a supporter of the luxury tax, thats the last thing warriors need.

MightyReds2020 · 02-24-2003, 09:36 PM

15+ million can buy you a california in denver...

NugzFan · 02-25-2003, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by colossus735!
Denver may have the ability sign him for more, but if the Warriors can move some contracts at the end of the season (mainly Damp, Fortson, Mills, and even Sura) then the Warriors can keep their main stable of talent and even offer more money that then the 4.5 million.

you would have to dump those guys onto teams with cap space - NO TEAM IS GOING TO DO IT!

NugzFan · 02-25-2003, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by MightyReds2020!
15+ million can buy you a california in denver...

lol. so true.

colossus735 · 02-25-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by NugzFan!

you would have to dump those guys onto teams with cap space - NO TEAM IS GOING TO DO IT!

Actually, Sura's and Mill's contract will appealing this year because they both have expiring contract at end of next season. Before the trading deadline there were many teams in the East that wanted Damp. (NY, Orlando, New Orleans, Miami to name a few) I'm sure there will still be interest in the offseason. Fortson is the wildcard and a future pick may have to be included to get Fortson shipped out. Philly was willing to take him and Coach Brown still wants Fortson. The Warriors were just unwilling to give up Foyle.

South Stunna · 02-25-2003, 07:00 PM

One player who DOESN'T play a role at all on this team is Danny Fortson. I can't name anybody in the league as discruntel as he. Regardless if what talent he MIGHT posses (when he tries), thats really irrelevant when hes not only a team cancer, but a whiny punk.

NugzFan · 02-26-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by colossus735!

Actually, Sura's and Mill's contract will appealing this year because they both have expiring contract at end of next season. Before the trading deadline there were many teams in the East that wanted Damp. (NY, Orlando, New Orleans, Miami to name a few) I'm sure there will still be interest in the offseason. Fortson is the wildcard and a future pick may have to be included to get Fortson shipped out. Philly was willing to take him and Coach Brown still wants Fortson. The Warriors were just unwilling to give up Foyle.

yeah...NEXT YEAR. you need to sign arenas THIS YEAR. see the problem?

no one is giving up cap space for average overpaid role players.

colossus735 · 02-28-2003, 09:29 AM

Your entitled to your opinion, but I dont think you understand the importance of getting expiring contacts. If no one wanted Sura's and Mills's contracts then why did teams like the Blazers, Nets, Knicks, and Philly all inquire about trading for these overpaid role players? Because when their contracts expire at the end of the 04 season, they will get some nice cap room to sign or resign players. You better get a jump on these contracts before some other team does, right? Why wait til the trading deadline next year when you might even give up more to get these guys and their contracts. The reason why the Warriors didnt go through w/ the proposed trades was because they would have to either give up a player or draft pick they wanted to keep, IE Foyle and mid 1st rounder this year. Making a move for the sake of making a move usually doesnt amount to anything. Makes more sence to wait til the end of the season where they can take a look at the big picture. You Nugget fans should know, thats what Kiki is doing now. Why are teams inquiring about Camby now, his value is low but his contract ends soon. Camby cant play a game w/o getting hurt. Why do teams want Hakeem's or Brandon's contract? They're not even going to contribute, but their contract will end soon and get that cap room in return. At least Sura and Mills can contribute. (St.Jean discussed some of the factors of not making a move w/ Rick Barry KNBR 68 here in SF)

Besides, word is now that Warriors will offer a multi year contract w/ a player opt out at the end of the 1st year of the contract. That way he can resign for more money. If by chance he recieves a career ending injury before the season ends, he can still collect on the multi year contract given to him.

NugzFan · 02-28-2003, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by colossus735!
Your entitled to your opinion, but I dont think you understand the importance of getting expiring contacts. If no one wanted Sura's and Mills's contracts then why did teams like the Blazers, Nets, Knicks, and Philly all inquire about trading for these overpaid role players? Because when their contracts expire at the end of the 04 season, they will get some nice cap room to sign or resign players. You better get a jump on these contracts before some other team does, right? Why wait til the trading deadline next year when you might even give up more to get these guys and their contracts.

I dont understand the importance of expiring contracts? lol. my entire teams future is based on it.

if the warriors wanted to dump them and teams watned them, why was no deal made? because teams dont give up anything for players like that. its not that easy. besides, you need cap space NOW, not later.

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Besides, word is now that Warriors will offer a multi year contract w/ a player opt out at the end of the 1st year of the contract. That way he can resign for more money. If by chance he recieves a career ending injury before the season ends, he can still collect on the multi year contract given to him.

and if you believe that, then you know nothing about the cba since that is ILLEGAL.

colossus735 · 02-28-2003, 12:16 PM

Well why dont we wait til the end of the season to say what is what. I just read an article out of Denver that said Arenas was complaining about the cold weather the last time the Warriors were there and the statement came out: "Imagine that all season/year long." I guess 15+ million can buy you Cali in Denver. Too bad it cant buy the weather. Besides, who in their right mind would want to come to Denver? They are so deep in rebuilding their team, its unbelieveable. Do you really think Arenas wants to be a part of that? Arenas has built himself up w/ a team that took the chance and drafted him. His buddies Richardson and Murphy are here. He's much closer to L.A. w/ the Warriors than he would be in Denver. He's starter on a team knocking on the door of the playoffs. You think he wants to start over?
With all of the cap room that Denver has, who will they sign to make them a contender? Kidd? Payton? Kiki is going to go after players like A.Miller, Kandi, or Maggette...these guys cant win w/ the Clippers, so why would they win in Denver. That lineup would be even worse. Chicago had a ton of cap room a few years ago and now one wanted to sign w/ them. They eventually signed Ron Mercer. Again, Ron Mercer. Who later got traded. Where are they now? As much as I am in envy of how much cap room you guys have, the truth is that in the NBA free agency is really only good for getting a piece or two to finished what already exists. Its not like baseball where you can bring in talent and build a team.

nybus54 · 02-28-2003, 04:11 PM

First of all, your assesment over denvers weather is 100% false. Have you ever even been here? It is not that cold here. It is warmer than almost every east coast city. Also, i think an extra
4-6 mil will warm gilbert up if that is what it takes.

Also, you say we are so deep in rebuliding. WTF? This is our first year of rebuliding and when we do sign players and get a top three pick we will be in the hunt for the playoffs next season, and once we have players develop together we could be a very very good team. The warriors?? They are stuck in mediocrity for many years to come, do you really see them winning a championship with their current lineup? I dont. They will always be an 8th or 9th seed team. Nothing more.

You are right that chicago didnt get much,but kiki is smarter than krause. He would not tank a whole year if he did not know what he was doing.

Who are we going to get you ask? Well, arenas for one (no matter how much you deny it) and then maybe maggette or kandi. Say we got kandi and arenas, we have a top three pick, lets say anthony or james. Plus, we have nene who will be a very good player, and skita who in a couple of years could be a very very good all around player.

Nuggets:
arenas
james or anthony
skita (developed)/white
Nene
Kandi

That beats the warriors lineup with arenas:

arenas
jrich
twan
murphy
dampier

Keep dreaming. Right now it may appear to you that the Warriors are ten times better, but in three years when we are a top ten team, you will be stuck at where you are now.

NugzFan · 02-28-2003, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by colossus735!
Well why dont we wait til the end of the season to say what is what. I just read an article out of Denver that said Arenas was complaining about the cold weather the last time the Warriors were there and the statement came out: "Imagine that all season/year long." I guess 15+ million can buy you Cali in Denver. Too bad it cant buy the weather. Besides, who in their right mind would want to come to Denver? They are so deep in rebuilding their team, its unbelieveable. Do you really think Arenas wants to be a part of that? Arenas has built himself up w/ a team that took the chance and drafted him. His buddies Richardson and Murphy are here. He's much closer to L.A. w/ the Warriors than he would be in Denver. He's starter on a team knocking on the door of the playoffs. You think he wants to start over?
With all of the cap room that Denver has, who will they sign to make them a contender? Kidd? Payton? Kiki is going to go after players like A.Miller, Kandi, or Maggette...these guys cant win w/ the Clippers, so why would they win in Denver. That lineup would be even worse. Chicago had a ton of cap room a few years ago and now one wanted to sign w/ them. They eventually signed Ron Mercer. Again, Ron Mercer. Who later got traded. Where are they now? As much as I am in envy of how much cap room you guys have, the truth is that in the NBA free agency is really only good for getting a piece or two to finished what already exists. Its not like baseball where you can bring in talent and build a team.

lol. dude, your last post was incorrect and i fixed it. of course we are both predicting what we want to happen but you went too far and started stating things that were false, not just opinions. i corrected you. admit it and accept it.

as for arenas, weather is no concern. he knows denvers weather yet still likes the franchise and will consider us this summer. thats all i ask. it comes down to less money/loyalty or more money/new team. thats it. 50-50. besides he can buy ALOT of nice coats, hummers and heaters for 30 million bucks (or more)

"are so deep in rebuilding their team, its unbelieveable. Do you really think Arenas wants to be a part of that?"

absolutely!!

" He's starter on a team knocking on the door of the playoffs. You think he wants to start over?"

wont have to. warroirs went from 21 wins to decent in one year without adding much. we can go from where we are to where you are in a year AND THEN SOME by adding a ton of great players. we probably wont make the playoffs (neither will gsw) but we can be competitive (wont be starting over) and our 'peak' will be damn high.

"Kiki is going to go after players like A.Miller, Kandi, or Maggette...these guys cant win w/ the Clippers, so why would they win in Denver."

its funny how EVERY warrior fan has the exact same reply for every issue brought up in this arenas debate. its exactly the same on like 5 differnet warrior boards! amazing. funny too.

present clippers hate their team and want to leave. none are playing to win...they areplaying for stats to get paid later on because they know they wont get paid by sterling. learn this fact now.

"Chicago had a ton of cap room a few years ago and now one wanted to sign w/ them. They eventually signed Ron Mercer. Again, Ron Mercer. Who later got traded. "

again, repeated...blah blah. we arent chicago. we are in a FAR FAR better situation. now learn this fact. i know this is 2 facts you must learn but try. its not hard.

"As much as I am in envy of how much cap room you guys have, the truth is that in the NBA free agency is really only good for getting a piece or two to finished what already exists."

-OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS, DON'T BASH ON OTHERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA- JC

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