[ssmokinjoe]

Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R

Actually, Odom got nailed hard in the first half of the game in the left shoulder that he RECENTLY had surgery on. He was having problems with it according to 570 AM, the Lakers radio station here in LA, as he was seen stretching it often because it started getting stiff, and frequently was seen gripping and rubbing his shoulder according to the Lakers announcer and was pulled early in game because it wasn't worth the risk of playing.

And since two weeks ago he wasn't even expected to play in the first few reseason games, it's probably a smart choice pulling him out when the entire team wasn't even competitive enough to make a real practice out of it. When your down by 30 points, and doing EVERYTHING on offense and defense pathetically and incorrectly, Phil probably chucked that one up to a painful experience. I don't know though, Odom might have faked the sore shoulder as well as the surgery. Cause those damn Lakers can't admit defeat!

GS, has a good team this season. You should try and become a little more secure with your teams place in the NBA instead of constantly looking for a reason why your team lost a preseason game. It's getting beyond Sad. You don't here me whining about GS winning, they should have won the first one to, but GS was to busy trying to make the plays look pretty than win.

Nice post, but we both know starters get pulled in garbage time regardless of the situation. I was being sarcastic, but thanks for the Odom life history. But i still stand firm on the one thing that i've been arguing all along... Odom was in that 4th to insure victory. NOT because he was practicing the triangle and NOT because putting Slava in at the 3 instead meant that he had to run the team from the 3. Those were your contentions right? FYI, i still don't buy it. That's basically the only thing i've been saying this whole time, but you seem to wanna throw insults about cows and elementary school and critical thinking and constantly assuming that i dont know this or that. Ok, i recognize your style now. I've seen it before.

[CDRacingZX6R]

Originally Posted by ssmokinjoe

Nice post, but we both know starters get pulled in garbage time regardless of the situation. I was being sarcastic, but thanks for the Odom life history. But i still stand firm on the one thing that i've been arguing all along... Odom was in that 4th to insure victory. NOT because he was practicing the triangle and NOT because putting Slava in at the 3 instead meant that he had to run the team from the 3. Those were your contentions right? FYI, i still don't buy it. That's basically the only thing i've been saying this whole time, but you seem to wanna throw insults about cows and elementary school and critical thinking and constantly assuming that i dont know this or that. Ok, i recognize your style now. I've seen it before.

Let me ask you something, say in the fourth you had a player injury.. Your scrub backup guard went down, you had to either put Baron Davis in or Foyle in? Which would you have picked?

[ssmokinjoe]

Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R

Let me ask you something, say in the fourth you had a player injury.. Your scrub backup guard went down, you had to either put Baron Davis in or Foyle in? Which would you have picked?

Please, don't try yet another smoke screen. You have numerous guards in training camp right now. Odom was NOT your last resort. SG's are able to slide down to PG when needed, as are some SF's. Put Slava in and slide Mckie to PG or whatever.

And to answer you question seriously... neither one would have had to go in. If Ellis went out then we'll throw another scub in there at whatever position and slide Fisher to PG. Wow, you must have really long arms because i've never seen anyone so good at reaching.

[CDRacingZX6R]

Originally Posted by ssmokinjoe

Please, don't try yet another smoke screen. You have numerous guards in training camp right now. Odom was NOT your last resort. SG's are able to slide down to PG when needed, as are some SF's. Put Slava in and slide Mckie to PG or whatever.

And to answer you question seriously... neither one would have had to go in. If Ellis went out then we'll throw another scub in there at whatever position and slide Fisher to PG. Wow, you must have really long arms because i've never seen anyone so good at reaching.

You amuse me. I was being sarcastic, but oh well. I guess I wasn't using enough smiley faces and rolling laughing icons for it to be apparent. My only reason for bring that up is because you didn't ask me why didn't the Lakers just play Sasha (who I think you originally mistook for Slava, which would explain why you are so out there), Wafer, etc.. Or one of the other SF's that might be able to run the floor, you keep talking about Slava. Why don't we just put Slava at the 3? Because Slava is a center genius. For the same reason you wouldn't run Foyle at the 3.

The sad thing is, if the game was important for GS, perhaps they should have put Davis in the fourth or something? They didn't because the warriors coaching staff knows it's a preseason game and didn't care rather they won or lost, they were there to see who goes where, who starts and who doesn't, and why gets the axe. That's what preseason has been and always will be.

Odom is the second most important part of the Lakers. Love him or hate him, Phil Jackson has said probably a thousands times this off-season that Odom will make the difference between making the playoffs, or finishing with 34 again. I know this is just logic speaking, which doesn't seem to flow well with your posts, but perhaps Phil wanted to see if Lamar could run the offense without Kobe in the game? Or.. Perhaps he wanted to get Odom out there practicing with the bench, since that doesn't happen much in camp.

But the truth is if Phil was so concerned with winning the preseason game that you hold so dear to your heart, he simply would have had kobe go in. Because running the offense or not, Kobe was 10-18, with 28 points in 27 minutes. Was hot when he went to the bench and would have easily wiped the floor with your bench scrubs. He went with Odom, because Odom is our starting 3, because Odom needs the practice, Because Odom has a lot more to gain than just a preseason win here. You'd think the way you talk, it was game seven of the finals. It was the first PRESEASON GAME OF THE YEAR. Maybe it's because your not used to having a good team.. Lord knows the Warriors history shows that, but I just wish you spent more time figuring out what the preseason really is about. It doesn't matter if a win in preseason is important to you personally, because the Warriors team itself probably couldn't careless.

Cheers

[ssmokinjoe]

Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R

You amuse me. I was being sarcastic, but oh well. I guess I wasn't using enough smiley faces and rolling laughing icons for it to be apparent. My only reason for bring that up is because you didn't ask me why didn't the Lakers just play Sasha (who I think you originally mistook for Slava, which would explain why you should so out there), Wafer, etc.. Or one of the other SF's that might be able to run the floor, you keep talking about Slava. Why don't we just put Slava at the 3? Because Slava is a center genius. For the same reason you wouldn't run Foyle at the 3.

The sad thing is, if the game was important for GS, perhaps they should have put Davis in the fourth or something? They didn't because the warriors coaching staff knows it's a preseason game and didn't care rather they won or lost, they were there to see who goes where, who starts and who doesn't, and why gets the axe. That's what preseason has been and always will be.

Odom is the second most important part of the Lakers. Love him or hate him, Phil Jackson has said probably a thousands times this off-season that Odom will make the difference between making the playoffs, or finishing with 34 again. I know this is just logic speaking, which doesn't seem to flow well with your posts, but perhaps Phil wanted to see if Lamar could run the offense without Kobe in the game? Or.. Perhaps he wanted to get Odom out there practicing with the bench, since that doesn't happen much in camp.

But the truth is if Phil was so concerned with winning the preseason game that you hold so dear to your heart, he simply would have had kobe go in. Because running the offense or not, Kobe was 10-18, with 28 points in 27 minutes. Was hot when he went to the bench and would have easily wiped the floor with your bench scrubs. He went with Odom, because Odom is our starting 3, because Odom needs the practice, Because Odom has a lot more to gain than just a preseason win here. You'd think the way you talk, it was game seven of the finals. It was the first PRESEASON GAME OF THE YEAR. Maybe it's because your not used to having a good team.. Lord knows the Warriors history shows that, but I just wish you spent more time figuring out what the preseason really is about. It doesn't matter if a win in preseason is important to you, because the Warriors team itself couldn't careless.

Cheers

Hmmm... you mentioned Slava first.

Yeah, what was Phil thinking.. Not putting our backup Center slava, a 250 pound retard at the 3 to run the offense... That would have been a hoot!

And why do you keep insisting that if Slava goes in he needs to run the offense? He can go in without running the offense you know. Or maybe you think that if you take out a player then his replacement always has to assume the duties of the person he replaces. Newsflash: players can slide positions. If i put Foyle in to replace a PG, that doesn't mean that he'll play PG. Geez how dense can you be? You need to learn the game more. Do you even understand how substitution works? You're stuck in a mindset that if someone else were out there other than Odom then that person is gonna run the offense. Oh my God. Is that what you thought i meant? Put in Slava to play the point or run the team at the 3!?!?! Holy moly.

And dont smoke screen me again by saying "why not Kobe"? Odom was just enough to acheive the end that he wanted... after all we already emptied our bench. It's pre-season dude. It really shouldnt be that important, so why was Phil still going for the W? You say it's important to me but i'm arguing that Phil didn't wanna lose. Please post on the Warriors board more often. You really are good for laughs.

[CDRacingZX6R]

Originally Posted by ssmokinjoe

Hmmm... you mentioned Slava first.



And why do you keep insisting that if Slava goes in he needs to run the offense? He can go in without running the offense you know. Or maybe you think that if you take out a player then his replacement always has to assume the duties of the person he replaces. Newsflash: players can slide positions. If i put Foyle in to replace a PG, that doesn't mean that he'll play PG. Geez how dense can you be? You need to learn the game more. Do you even understand how substitution works? You're stuck in a mindset that if someone else were out there other than Odom then that person is gonna run the offense. Oh my God. Is that what you thought i meant? Put in Slava to play the point or run the team at the 3!?!?! Holy moly.

And dont smoke screen me again by saying "why not Kobe"? Odom was just enough to acheive the end that he wanted... after all we already emptied our bench. It's pre-season dude. It really shouldnt be that important, so why was Phil still going for the W? You say it's important to me but i'm arguing that Phil didn't wanna lose. Please post on the Warriors board more often. You really are good for laughs.

I think our main problem is communication with one another. Perhaps we can continue this after you get through grade school?

[ssmokinjoe]

Originally Posted by CDRacingZX6R

I think our main problem is communication with one another. Perhaps we can continue this after you get through grade school?

Ahhh... personal insult. Beautiful counterpoint tactic. Please excuse me if i refrain from matching your eloquence of laughing faces. You're way too good for me at posting those!

I'm done here... my grade school teacher is calling me.

[halfbreed]

Disagreeing and arguing is ok, but let's refrain from personal attacks.