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**Tom** · 02-27-2003, 06:24 PM

illustration of the Rockets problems is that Ming is averaging only 1.7 assists per game...anyone who knows anything about B-ball knows that is pathetic. they need to run there offense through him more....Yao the point center

rainman · 02-27-2003, 06:29 PM

the implication i guess is that he doesnt get it enough to have a lot of assists not that he gets it and doesnt want to pass it.this team needs to do some reshuffling in the off season.would anyone be against a miller and brand for francis and griffin deal?i hope not.

rocketeer · 02-27-2003, 07:43 PM

they need to stop feeding ming in the post and then leaving him. he hasn't been having lots of success that way. he usually ends up with a contested shot or a turnover. they need more pick and rolls, cuts, and keeping guys for ming to kick the ball out to. i think that would help them some.

Alibaba · 02-27-2003, 09:50 PM

Exactly. A lot of times they will dump it in to Yao and they'll stand around and watch Yao. Problem is, Yao needs cutters and people to MOVE so he can pass to the open guy or take the shot.

Right now, Yao getting little help from teammates when he gets the ball down low.

rocketeer · 02-28-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Alibaba!
Exactly. A lot of times they will dump it in to Yao and they'll stand around and watch Yao. Problem is, Yao needs cutters and people to MOVE so he can pass to the open guy or take the shot.

Right now, Yao getting little help from teammates when he gets the ball down low.

and if they want to stand around, at least someone could stand around at the 3 line behind yao where he could actually pass them the ball. because when he gets in trouble there is nothing he can do.

**Hollis** · 02-28-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by rainman!
the implication i guess is that he doesnt get it enough to have a lot of assists not that he gets it and doesnt want to pass it.this team needs to do some reshuffling in the off season.would anyone be against a miller and brand for francis and griffin deal?i hope not.

Mobley, Griffin, change for Brand and Miller....Francis is twice the player Miller is. And please don't tell me Miller makes the people around him better....has he EVER been on a winning team?

nicholai · 03-01-2003, 11:13 AM

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And please don't tell me Miller makes the people around him better....has he EVER been on a winning team?

o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d.

rainman · 03-01-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Hollis!

Mobley, Griffin, change for Brand and Miller....Francis is twice the player Miller is. And please don't tell me Miller makes the people around him better....has he EVER been on a winning team?

if you look at that trade idea in its entirety then brand is light years ahead of griffin,as for francis being twice the player that miller is i'm not sure what you base that on.miller is a good player who looks to pass the ball,something lacking with the rockets guards.let me ask you this.how long are you going to put up with all the headaches and backaches and games where francis just doesnt get the job done.what has he ever won?

**Hollis** · 03-01-2003, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by rainman!

if you look at that trade idea in its entirety then brand is light years ahead of griffin,as for francis being twice the player that miller is i'm not sure what you base that on.miller is a good player who looks to pass the ball,something lacking with the rockets guards.let me ask you this.how long are you going to put up with all the headaches and backaches and games where francis just doesnt get the job done.what has he ever won?

Francis is one of the best scorers in the game, a great rebounding guard, decent defender and one of the top athletes....he's just too much to lose. I'd rather get a pass-first PG and move Francis to SG than lose him.

On Miller: pass-first guys make their teammates better, right? Hasn't he made the Clippers WORSE since he got there?

rainman · 03-01-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by Hollis!

Francis is one of the best scorers in the game, a great rebounding guard, decent defender and one of the top athletes....he's just too much to lose. I'd rather get a pass-first PG and move Francis to SG than lose him.

On Miller: pass-first guys make their teammates better, right? Hasn't he made the Clippers WORSE since he got there?

i wouldnt be so down on miller,that situation in clipperland is hopeless.as for moving stevie to the two,you may be onto something there.

carayip · 03-01-2003, 06:41 PM

I agree. Yao needs cutters. He needs his teammates moving without the ball. Watch Blazers play and all the players are moving without the ball whenever Sabonis gets the ball. Why can't we play like that?

Yyzlin · 03-01-2003, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Hollis!

Francis is one of the best scorers in the game, a great rebounding guard, decent defender and one of the top athletes....he's just too much to lose. I'd rather get a pass-first PG and move Francis to SG than lose him.

On Miller: pass-first guys make their teammates better, right? Hasn't he made the Clippers WORSE since he got there?

It isnt entirely Miller's fault. His whole team is just totally out of whack and everyone is just playing selfishly. I think Miller, when he was in Cleveland, is a much better indication of his talent. And don't give me that crap about how he hasnt won yet. THe Cavs were horrible and the Clips are too concerned with their stat lines and their salary payoffs int he offseason.

**Hollis** · 03-02-2003, 10:36 AM

The Clippers are one of the most talented teams in the league. A team reflects their PG, and they have a terrible record....

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