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Old 11-20-2005, 05:09 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: I miss Francis

Agree with pretty much everything you said, except for the "Mobley isn't a big upgrade over Wesley" bit. He's easily as good a defender, while also being a legitimate scoring threat. He is a bit of a hog, but I can live with that if he can give me a reasonably efficient 15-20 ppg.

And yeah, Mark Jackson could pass. One of the best passers ever, IMO. Pity he couldn't do much else. Except for that one time he errupted for something like 25 points at the age of 39.
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Old 11-20-2005, 05:27 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: I miss Francis

what if you think of it like this - in a way we got T-Mac, Jon Barry, Rafer Alston & Juwan Howard for Cuttino Mobley, Steve Francis & Kelvin Cato, do you still believe the trade was worth as much?

Jon Barry - we received for Tyronn Lue from Atlanta
Rafer Alston - we traded reece gaines to milwaukee which brought in mike james who we then traded to the raps for Skip
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Old 11-20-2005, 06:41 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Agree with pretty much everything you said, except for the "Mobley isn't a big upgrade over Wesley" bit. He's easily as good a defender, while also being a legitimate scoring threat. He is a bit of a hog, but I can live with that if he can give me a reasonably efficient 15-20 ppg.
Yes,that's also the only thing I don't agree with what YM said. Mobley is a more reliable and consistent shooter while DW is a streaky shooter. And Mobley is more athletic and quicker so he can do more penetration. But I don't agree with that "He's easily as good a defender"as DW, DW is much stronger so he often gave the guards he was defending lots of trouble, especially in last season. Maybe the only guard in the league he can't defend is Baron Davis cuz Baron is even stronger than him. DW is even able to defend some PFs when the team needs him to do so. Anyway,overall, having Mobley in stead of Wesley could be a substantial upgrade for us.
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Old 11-20-2005, 07:02 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: I miss Francis

ok maybe I exaggerated that Mobley part a lil' bit too much... I was one of the biggest Mobley supporters around when he was here and even made a Mobley appreciation thread remember???

Biggest difference btw Mobley and DW right now would be their age. Mobley's arguably in his prime while DW's best years are behind him. Mobley's clearly the better player, but in terms of his impact on a team like this right now, I don't think he'd necessarily make a big difference in our win and loss column
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Old 11-20-2005, 09:55 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: I miss Francis

Don't get Francis back. He is too hoggy with that ball....

Let's make it this way. Mobley was a potent scorer, and played some good defence.
Cato was a good rebounder and defender, plus a potent shot blocker. He played good on the defensive wall, but at the offense, he kinda poured 4-6-8 points per game....

Juwan Howard is a good player, but he is kinda old. Bringing Emeka Okafor to the team for Howard and Derek Anderson would be excellent.

Maybe trading someone else for Alston would have been much better. The departure of Mike James really resulted in some bad chemistry....
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Old 11-21-2005, 06:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: I miss Francis

If you're not counting the many turn-overs, the over dribbling, going to the Super Bowl when your team needs you, and ball-hogging, then sure, I miss Francis also.
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Old 11-21-2005, 07:28 AM   #22 (permalink)
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WTF??? Blink4 had the correct response to this thread. Can't believe we are still talking about Steve Francis. AKA: Franchise, Steve O, Whinny Little no masked cursing - YM(Oh, that was my AKA for him.)

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