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Zeus · 01-10-2006, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by debarge

IMO, he's been Passionless. That's the best way I can describe his play so far. He's never had a great game, but he's had a few decent ones. I'm very dissatisfied with him thus far, mostly defensively and on the glass. I can easily tolerate someone new to a team, not understanding the "new offense", or "knowing his role" and what's expected of him offensively. I cannot stomach someone refusing to rebound or guard a man that has the ball, and just give up layups

That's intolerable... what can I say about someone who has a vertical leap that he has, but is constantly out-fought for boards. I can only imagine if Yao or Dke had Stromile's athletic ability???

You make the most of the skills you've got, he isn't doing that. He is habitually "unfocused" and is probably the worst weakside defender on the team. These are correctable errors, but it has been 20 + games now? He's had opportunities to show us his game....but always seems to fall short.

His Defensive play is what concerns me the most, he's terrible. He's too light-weight to defend anybody in the post, or for that matter to post up anyone. I do not want to believe this but Stro's not given us any reason to think he will improve, other than the "he's still young...he's on a new team" excuse.

I hope I'm horribly wrong about him....

Hate to say it, but this is all you get with Stro. I'm glad he's not on my team anymore. It's not just 20 games, it's his entire career. What's that adage about insanity? Doing the same thing over and expecting a different result? I think foolishness should be substituted for insanity. You say he's had opportunites to show you his game? Brother, he's shown you his game. What you see is all that you'll get.

Zeus · 01-10-2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Yao Mania

Well, at least he's got the right attitude still:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/3544016.html

yep...Stro pulled the same thing in Memphis. tries to put it on the coach, saying "it's his decision", when there isn't anything physically wrong with him. even the Grizzlies began to publically question Stro's "injury" or "sickness". Laaaaaaaazzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyy

southeasy · 01-12-2006, 06:32 PM

i seen kid get hit in the eye.

Demiloy · 01-12-2006, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Hate to say it, but this is all you get with Stro. I'm glad he's not on my team anymore. It's not just 20 games, it's his entire career. What's that adage about insanity? Doing the same thing over and expecting a different result? I think foolishness should be substituted for insanity. You say he's had opportunites to show you his game? Brother, he's shown you his game. What you see is all that you'll get.

I think that's true. But under Jeff Van Gundy, Stromile will never survive long if he's lazy. So, right now, it's either Stromile here or Van Gundy here.

But Van Gundy has been working on him, and at least he's shown some progress. So there's still hope. After all, this isn't the first time that Van Gundy has had to deal with unruly players. He had more than his fair share in New York.

tone wone · 02-02-2006, 02:23 PM

I had to bump this thread.

Look, I like Stro & I wish he could remain a rocket....but if the midget isn't going to play him then Houston has to move him. Cause its painfully obvious that he isn't the type of player that can prouduce in a short amount of minutes. This leaves fans pointing out ALL of his flaws while overlooking the problems the other frontcourt players.

The PF position...while not as bad as SG...still sucks. Howard has the vertical of a 60yr old woman & is a mediocre rebounder. Hayes is nice and everything but he's 6'6 damnint! I can't be the only mofo who thinks Stro can sorta help out here but he's not going to get the minutes (not even sure he deserves the mins).....so lets move on...

except, theres one problem......His value is so low right now Houston could probably only get a 2nd rounder for him.

debarge · 02-02-2006, 05:08 PM

Personally I kinda knew from the first month of the season when Tracy went down, what we ended up getting in Stromile. Yao Ming was very conscious to give up the ball to him, find him under the basket, and cover for him on defense i.e. leaving himself vunerable to fouls. All I saw from him was apathy at what was going on with the team. We had everyone but Tracy, still had DA and Barry for a minute, lost them, he still didn't play well. Luther did, then DWes came around as well as Rafer, still no Stro Show. He came back to the team after watching Baxter and Hayes essentially get "his minutes" but use them productively. He saw two young guys potentially taking his spot on the team, and Hayes is now the first reserve off the bench. Everyone is de-valuing Baxter and minimizing Hayes' effort and impact on the team. It cannot be ignored to me, I wish we could move him somewhere for anything, just to free up the minutes and get his 'lazyness' off the team's atmosphere.
He's playing a little better for now, but people he 'ain't playin good' at all. He's just played so BADLY that we're happy with a below average effort that's not detrimental to the team. He isn't fooling me, he's scared of being traded or just moved to last off the bench. I don't think he's a bad guy at all, he isn't Eddie Griffin, but he just doesn't have the tools to play for us on a nightly basis. That to me is the best reason to trade someone, because they aren't just inconsistent- that's something basketballogist say about poor shooting. He is not dependable. You cannot rely on him for anything. As we have seen so many times late in the game, if he's in there, we will not get a secure rebound (def or off). The other guy wants it more...

That's not good in the frontcourt or at any position for that matter. I just don't get the loyalty to these guys who didn't take you anywhere. Sura, Barry, Swift, Dke? I like them just fine, nice guys. But they didn't take you anywhere? Are they Horry, Drexler, Smith? Olajawon? I don't think so? Trade him, make the team better? Is CDawson blind, is Les apathetic since he still sells season tickets? Does Jeff really want guys who can play, or does he want guys he can control? Stro wouldn't get any minutes with Rudy T... 'oh you can dunk, that's nice? can you rebound and shoot 3s? you can't, well sit down son until you can, let me know when you're 38% from the line?"

jdiggidy · 02-03-2006, 07:23 AM

Even if Houston were to get another coach, this is still not the team for him. He either needs to be on a team like the Hawks who has to take the time to develop its players or a team like the Spurs or Pistons that could still win without him getting much PT and try to develop him on the side.

It would be a huge mistake for Houston to keep Swift if they are not going to commit 100% to developing him.

**sherako** · 02-03-2006, 04:47 PM

Watch Stromile play? Why? His game is putrid to say the least

southeasy · 02-04-2006, 09:36 AM

stromile and eddie griffin, two of my favourite players.

haters...blttttt

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