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Old 10-13-2007, 07:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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But seriously I don't really want Kobe on our team. I love T-Mac and I think he would be ****ing pissed off if we ship him off when his chances to advance in the playoffs are highest.
No disrespect to Mac but, I could care less how he would feel if he were to get traded.

Bottom line is that Kobe has grown up quite a bit. If you look at LA, he has to be the man. There is nobody else on that team. That is why he is still labeled a ball hog and selfish. If he wasn't that team would be in the cellar. If he were surrounded by some veteran players that can play (ie: Francis, James, Battier) then he wouldn't be put in a position to dominate the whole game.

My issue with TMac has always been health and disappearing at inopportune times. KOBE IS A BETTER PLAYER IN ALL FACETS OF THE GAME THAN TMAC.

I want the best players on this rocket team and if LA would do a deal with Houston that didn't include Yao and Battier I would be all for it.
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Old 10-13-2007, 07:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
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No disrespect to Mac but, I could care less how he would feel if he were to get traded.

Bottom line is that Kobe has grown up quite a bit. If you look at LA, he has to be the man. There is nobody else on that team. That is why he is still labeled a ball hog and selfish. If he wasn't that team would be in the cellar. If he were surrounded by some veteran players that can play (ie: Francis, James, Battier) then he wouldn't be put in a position to dominate the whole game.

My issue with TMac has always been health and disappearing at inopportune times. KOBE IS A BETTER PLAYER IN ALL FACETS OF THE GAME THAN TMAC.

I want the best players on this rocket team and if LA would do a deal with Houston that didn't include Yao and Battier I would be all for it.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 10-14-2007, 12:14 AM   #18 (permalink)
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My issue with TMac has always been health and disappearing at inopportune times. KOBE IS A BETTER PLAYER IN ALL FACETS OF THE GAME THAN TMAC.

I want the best players on this rocket team and if LA would do a deal with Houston that didn't include Yao and Battier I would be all for it.
T-Mac is a better passer than Kobe and has played better defense these past couple of years. But yes, I would definitely trade McGrady for him. Battier is expendable too.
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Old 10-14-2007, 02:33 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Trade Possibility for Kobe??

Head + Francis + T-mac + synder = kobe ???
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Old 10-14-2007, 07:07 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: Trade Possibility for Kobe??

Is the Difference between T-Mac and Kobe that big? Francis Head and Snyder is a lot.
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Old 10-14-2007, 11:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Trade Possibility for Kobe??

Kobe's major edge on TMac are his superior defense, durability and killer instinct.

But offensively, I actually prefer TMac simply because he actually passes the ball. They are both clutch but Kobe has the edge because of his never surrender, (I'll keep bombing from everywhere until we win or lose) attitude.

Defense wise Kobe is a far superior defender that can shut down poeple but isn't that what Shane Battier is for? If only TMac could stay healthy then none of this Kobe for TMac talks would even be here.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:14 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Kobe's major edge on TMac are his superior defense, durability and killer instinct.

But offensively, I actually prefer TMac simply because he actually passes the ball. They are both clutch but Kobe has the edge because of his never surrender, (I'll keep bombing from everywhere until we win or lose) attitude.

Defense wise Kobe is a far superior defender that can shut down poeple but isn't that what Shane Battier is for? If only TMac could stay healthy then none of this Kobe for TMac talks would even be here.
which is a disadvantage showing that he doesnt trust his team-mates whereas T-Mac wont demand the final shot and may even pass it up to the open man, i remember a few years ago when Charlie Ward was having a **** shooting day yet T-Mac still gave up the shot to give it to a wide-open Ward, the same also occured with Scott Padgett. Sure you can call it a killer instinct but you can also call it greed and not-trusting his team.

However i do agree that Kobe is a far superior defender but T-Mac isgood in his own right and Batman is our shutdown man.
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Old 10-15-2007, 07:48 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Trade Possibility for Kobe??

If only TMac can could stay healthy is exactly right. Jerry's asking price will be way to high. This has really just been an exercise in fun.

There is even a bulls rumor of their #1 next year, Gordon, TThomas, and Nocioni which is way better than what we could offer and is alot of young talent to give up.

I really don't see Kobe getting dealt until the final year of his contract and by then LGay might look a little better. Man, I can't stress how little that team has right now though.
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Is the Difference between T-Mac and Kobe that big? Francis Head and Snyder is a lot.
You dont think there is a big defference between Kobe and Mac? There use to be great comparison between the 2, but im sure everyone can see kobe is on another level. And the reason why i would package the others is because why would lakers wanna trade Kobe, someone who i think has jus as much value or more then KG for a player with back probs in return. I'am a big rockets fan, i am just not that big of a T-mac fan. He is still a high caliber player but with all these injuries his value lesson to someone like the lakers who obviously is trying to rebuild.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:45 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Re: Trade Possibility for Kobe??

I dunno why but Kobe's really grown on me since the Colorado incident, one of my 10 fav players right now. But I'm used to him in Laker gold and purple, and kinda want him to stay there. He's the best player on the planet and there's no way we can get him without dismantling the core of our team.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Yea if it was like T-Mac + like a real filler like someone we won't be using much (Snyder/Head) it'll be fine but Yao Man thinks the difference is that big. We're really gonna screw up the team if we do that. Our team is fine as we see it.
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:51 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Re: Trade Possibility for Kobe??

Kobe is not as mature as TMac though. TMac is at a stage in his career where he knows he can't shoot all the time. Kobe isn't. Kobe's attitude is also questionable. I think Houston people prefer more humble players like Yao and TMac. Kobe is too flashy, has all sorts of baggage, bad relations with other players, management, etc. Does Houston want this kind of guy?
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Can't speak for Houston but, I want him as long as a trade doesn't include Yao and Battier.

YM is right though, he is gonna stay in LGAY because the asking price is too much.
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:29 PM   #29 (permalink)
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But offensively, I actually prefer TMac simply because he actually passes the ball. They are both clutch but Kobe has the edge because of his never surrender, (I'll keep bombing from everywhere until we win or lose) attitude.
This is a misconception about Kobe. He's perfectly willing to pass the ball to good teamates... he was averaging around 25/7.5 until Odom and Walton got injured, that's when he started taking so much of the load last year. He's really matured as a passer since shaq left... which of course was too late.
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