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XxIrvingxX · 11-12-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wen

I mean da**.....there r so much hate .
we all know Lin 1on1 D is poor but look how offen he help his big man teammates double team others .

last year in the game NY vs LAL , he was keeping disturb paul and Andrew .

His poor 1on1 D and ball-secrueity r the mean reasons no team pick him .
But if u put him in 5on5 , this kid can do something .

back to the issue , whether he can vote in the ASG is a Question , I am pretty sure NBA want to board their business , especially in the China ,which has a lot lot lot people . But ASG has to consider about the ability of players not just fans .

But nothing comes easy , u know what I mean .

The **** am I reading??

**Jace** · 11-12-2012, 04:50 PM

Don't want to make this ethnic or patriotic, but Wen appears to be from Taiwan, like Lin. That might be the decoder to help understand the 15% of that that was coherent.

Know what, I'm feeling like having some fun. Let's try to translate this:

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I mean da**.....there r so much hate .
we all know Lin 1on1 D is poor but look how offen he help his big man teammates double team others .

last year in the game NY vs LAL , he was keeping disturb paul and Andrew .

"I mean, damn. There's so much hate (against Lin). We all know Lin's man D is poor, but look how often he helps his big men double team in the post (SEVERELY UNDERRATED ASPECT OF LIN'S GAME. HE DOUBLE TEAMS AT AN ALL-STAR LEVEL.) When the Knicks played the Lakers last season, his double-team defense on Gasol and Bynum was the reason the Knicks won." (Apparently very few PGs can double-team the post as effectively as Lin.)

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His poor 1on1 D and ball-secrueity r the mean reasons no team pick him .
But if u put him in 5on5 , this kid can do something .

"He can't guard one-on-one or take care of the ball, which is why no team picks him for their one-on-one pick up games, but if you play him 5-on-5, like in a real NBA game, he can shut fools down."

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back to the issue , whether he can vote in the ASG is a Question , I am pretty sure NBA want to board their business , especially in the China ,which has a lot lot lot people . But ASG has to consider about the ability of players not just fans .

"But the crux of the matter is whether or not he can be voted into the ASG. I'm pretty sure the NBA wants to increase their business in the largely populated Chinese market. But it's also kind of important for All-Stars to be good/deserving of the spot."

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But nothing comes easy , u know what I mean .

No idea on this one.

**E.H. Munro** · 11-12-2012, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

He's a pretty good finisher around the rim.

So was Jason Caffey.

**Jace** · 11-12-2012, 09:26 PM

Yeah...Lin's not very good. He's just another guy. Surprised he even had 9 and 6 tonight. I'm not sure he's better than Beno Udrih or Luke Ridnour. Seriously. People will learn.

atz · 11-13-2012, 05:57 AM

I have only one question: Why do people still act like it was solely Chinese people who voted Yao in the all-star game? I thought this "myth was busted" a long time ago. I really don't care to do more research than this but here are a couple of articles to prove my point:

1st, in 2003:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/sp...ll/12VECS.html

Quote:

The Chinese vote has not overwhelmed the trend. About 15 percent of all traffic to the Web site comes from Asia, and 11 to 12 percent of the ballots come back in Chinese. Yao leads Shaq in Asian voting, but he also leads him in North America by roughly the same proportion. Through Thursday, Yao was leading Shaq, 1,015,018 to 784,920, in the last published count until the starters are announced Jan. 23.

2nd, in 2004:
http://www.nba.com/allstar2004/west_center_040129.html

Quote:

While O’Neal received more electronic votes from fans around the world, Yao defeated O’Neal by outpacing him on paper ballots that were distributed in-arena, at movie theatres and at retail stores where balloting was available in the United States and Canada.

So Shaq actually won the online votes then.

In conclusion to the origial question: "China" didn't vote Yao in the all-star game. Just like they didn't vote Mengke Bateer or Yi Jianlian in the all-star game. And they will not vote Jeremy Lin to start in the all-star game. So chill.

Disclaimer: Chinese in America or other parts of the world, I don't know. I doubt they collect data of the voters' ethnic origins. But as in "one billion Chinese flooding the NBA.com all-star vote", no.

**Bogg** · 11-13-2012, 06:37 AM

Lin's an average starter who got paid roughly what you'd expect based on what Goran Dragic and Jameer Nelson got. He helps you in some areas and hurts you in others. It's kind of funny that people are so polarized over a player who can be summed up with the phrase "Eh, he's not bad".

**Dre** · 11-13-2012, 07:09 AM

Not sure that he's an average starter even. I think he works next to Harden because Harden can handle the ball and pass but if the Rockets still had Kevin Martin at the 2 it would be tough for them.

**Bogg** · 11-13-2012, 07:33 AM

He's probably not in the top ten at his position, but I'd wager that he's somewhere in the grouping of the next ten to fifteen point guards once he figures out the personnel he's playing with. I agree that Harden's a good fit next to him because it allows Lin to focus more on his own offense as opposed to getting everyone around him involved.

**Diable** · 11-13-2012, 07:53 AM

I honestly don't think there's an incredible amount of difference between the 10th best point guard and the 20th best at this point in time. There are a lot of guys who are good, but nowhere near great. Based on what we've seen it's fairly safe to assume that Lin can be pretty effective if you use him properly. Unfortunately for him, no one is going to want to have him as their best offensive player and he seems to be most useful as the focal point of a P&R heavy offense like D'antoni ran. That's not going to work great once teams get their scouting down. It would probably be really effective if you had him leading your second unit.

e-monk · 11-13-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

Don't want to make this ethnic or patriotic, but Wen appears to be from Taiwan, like Lin.

Lin was born in Los Angeles and grew up in the bay area

but I get what you mean and it would be naive to think that his heritage would not have some impact on the voting considering his position as a pioneer (if we ignore Yao and a handful of other guys)

that said I would hope that the fact that he has been absolutely mediocre would temper such voting - probably too much to hope for

**Floods** · 11-13-2012, 08:35 AM

Whatever. All-star games are a farce anyway.

l0st1 · 11-13-2012, 11:23 AM

1. Rondo
2. Paul
3. Westbrook
4. D. Williams
5. Rose
6. Irving
7. Wall
8. Parker
9. Nash
10. Conley
11. Holiday
12. Lowry
13. Curry
14. Dragic
15. Jennings
16. Lawson
17. Rubio

Safe to say we can all agree those 17 PG's are clearly above Lin. Then you get into guys like

18. Felton
19. Sessions
20. Nelson
21. George Hill
22. Mo Wiliams
23. Darren Collison
24. Jeff Teague
25. Jose Calderon
26. Kemba Walker
27. Brandon Knight
28. Damian Lillard
29. Isaiah Thomas

Then yet another tier

30. Andre Miller
31. Jarrett Jack
32. Mario Chalmers
33. Luke Ridnour
34. Eric Bledsoe
35. Greivis Vasquez

And that's leaving out guys like Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, and Rodney Stuckey for being undersized SGs and Jason Kidd ,Chauncey Billups because of their age.

Where exactly does Lin fall? I'd say his absolute peak is top 20, but I can accept the argument that he isn't top 30.

Of course, he has the tools(as do a ton of other players) to be a great player if he puts it all together. Like we saw during 'Linsanity' his only real issue was turnovers.

Either way he has no business making the All-Star game over other guards in the West. Paul, Westbrook, Kobe, Harden are all locks to be in before him. Then you got a BIG group of players that are having MUCH better years than him and should be in (think OJ Mayo, Conley, Parker)

**Jace** · 11-13-2012, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-monk

Lin was born in Los Angeles and grew up in the bay area

but I get what you mean and it would be naive to think that his heritage would not have some impact on the voting considering his position as a pioneer (if we ignore Yao and a handful of other guys)

that said I would hope that the fact that he has been absolutely mediocre would temper such voting - probably too much to hope for

I know, I meant ethnically.

**Jace** · 11-17-2012, 05:19 AM

Jeremy Lin didn't even play down the stretch in Portland last night. TONEY FREAKIN' DOUGLAS got the nod over him. He still had a double-double, but the sooner we accept what he is, the better.

hobojoe · 11-17-2012, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamel Irief

He's a pretty good finisher around the rim.

So was Jason Caffey.

Don't think very many got that one, but good job EH.

11-12-2012, 09:26 PM	#34 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 17,429 Rep Power: 2677069	Re: If Jeremy Lin gets voted into the ASG.. Yeah...Lin's not very good. He's just another guy. Surprised he even had 9 and 6 tonight. I'm not sure he's better than Beno Udrih or Luke Ridnour. Seriously. People will learn. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

11-13-2012, 06:37 AM	#36 (permalink)
Bogg Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,750 Rep Power: 4050067	Re: If Jeremy Lin gets voted into the ASG.. Lin's an average starter who got paid roughly what you'd expect based on what Goran Dragic and Jameer Nelson got. He helps you in some areas and hurts you in others. It's kind of funny that people are so polarized over a player who can be summed up with the phrase "Eh, he's not bad".

11-13-2012, 07:33 AM	#38 (permalink)
Bogg Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,750 Rep Power: 4050067	Re: If Jeremy Lin gets voted into the ASG.. He's probably not in the top ten at his position, but I'd wager that he's somewhere in the grouping of the next ten to fifteen point guards once he figures out the personnel he's playing with. I agree that Harden's a good fit next to him because it allows Lin to focus more on his own offense as opposed to getting everyone around him involved.

11-13-2012, 07:53 AM	#39 (permalink)
Diable Limehouse Blues Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 22,409 Rep Power: 14865553	Re: If Jeremy Lin gets voted into the ASG.. I honestly don't think there's an incredible amount of difference between the 10th best point guard and the 20th best at this point in time. There are a lot of guys who are good, but nowhere near great. Based on what we've seen it's fairly safe to assume that Lin can be pretty effective if you use him properly. Unfortunately for him, no one is going to want to have him as their best offensive player and he seems to be most useful as the focal point of a P&R heavy offense like D'antoni ran. That's not going to work great once teams get their scouting down. It would probably be really effective if you had him leading your second unit. __________________

11-13-2012, 08:35 AM	#41 (permalink)
Floods -LIFETIME MEMBER- Tetris Champion! Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 14,378 Rep Power: 15771513	Re: If Jeremy Lin gets voted into the ASG.. Whatever. All-star games are a farce anyway.

11-13-2012, 07:09 AM	#37 (permalink)
Dre do better Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 41,390 Rep Power: 21474888	Not sure that he's an average starter even. I think he works next to Harden because Harden can handle the ball and pass but if the Rockets still had Kevin Martin at the 2 it would be tough for them.

11-13-2012, 11:23 AM	#42 (permalink)
l0st1 Veteran Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,139 Rep Power: 953893	Re: If Jeremy Lin gets voted into the ASG.. 1. Rondo 2. Paul 3. Westbrook 4. D. Williams 5. Rose 6. Irving 7. Wall 8. Parker 9. Nash 10. Conley 11. Holiday 12. Lowry 13. Curry 14. Dragic 15. Jennings 16. Lawson 17. Rubio Safe to say we can all agree those 17 PG's are clearly above Lin. Then you get into guys like 18. Felton 19. Sessions 20. Nelson 21. George Hill 22. Mo Wiliams 23. Darren Collison 24. Jeff Teague 25. Jose Calderon 26. Kemba Walker 27. Brandon Knight 28. Damian Lillard 29. Isaiah Thomas Then yet another tier 30. Andre Miller 31. Jarrett Jack 32. Mario Chalmers 33. Luke Ridnour 34. Eric Bledsoe 35. Greivis Vasquez And that's leaving out guys like Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, and Rodney Stuckey for being undersized SGs and Jason Kidd ,Chauncey Billups because of their age. Where exactly does Lin fall? I'd say his absolute peak is top 20, but I can accept the argument that he isn't top 30. Of course, he has the tools(as do a ton of other players) to be a great player if he puts it all together. Like we saw during 'Linsanity' his only real issue was turnovers. Either way he has no business making the All-Star game over other guards in the West. Paul, Westbrook, Kobe, Harden are all locks to be in before him. Then you got a BIG group of players that are having MUCH better years than him and should be in (think OJ Mayo, Conley, Parker)

11-17-2012, 05:19 AM	#44 (permalink)
Jace X V I Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami/Raleigh Age: 27 Posts: 17,429 Rep Power: 2677069	Re: If Jeremy Lin gets voted into the ASG.. Jeremy Lin didn't even play down the stretch in Portland last night. TONEY FREAKIN' DOUGLAS got the nod over him. He still had a double-double, but the sooner we accept what he is, the better. __________________ Jace's soundcloud

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