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Hes top 50 in many of the new lists I've read. How is being a top 50 alltime not worthy of being a great franchise player? Or leading his team to a 60+ win season and going to the Finals, and taking the Lakers for everything they had?
Its obvious you have no love for Reggie. But whatever, not a problem.

StephenJackson

More than rediculous in my opinion. Look at him over the last 2 playoff games. He's 39...and in these games he's shown that he's STILL capable of being better than the competition.

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PauloCatarino

Come on, R-Star, is that all you can come up with?

Was Pippen a "franchise player"? No. was he a top 50? yes.
Was Worthy a "franchise player"? No. was he a top 50? yes.
Was McHale a "franchise player"? No. was he a top 50? yes.
Was Dave Debusschere a "franchise player"? No. was he a top 50? yes.
Was Sam Jones a "franchise player"? No. was he a top 50? yes.
Was Robert Parish a "franchise player"? No. was he a top 50? yes.

Being a great player does not equal being a franchise player.
Reggie was a great player. I've states numerous times that i love his game.
Still, i am not blind to the fact that he was in the 3rd echelon of players in his era: 1st - superstars; 2nd - perennial all-stars.

Reggie, for his career, has 2 All-Nba selections, and both times in the 3rd team. That's not overwhelming.
In fact, SGs who were ranked above him in the All-Nba teams: Jordan, Drexler, Dale Ellis, Dumars, Petrovic, Sprewell, Mitch Richmond, Penny, Rice, Iverson, Kobe, Eddie Jones, T-Mac, Ray Allen, etc., etc.

Reggie has played long and hard, and brought us numerous monstruous moments, but that doesn't change the fact that he was never top-10 NBA in any season...

Sure, you could call him "franchise player", just the same as Charlotte has Okafor, and Orlando has Howard, but that's not much...

reggie has provided me with some of the most entertaining bball moments (like the Spike Lee duel), but i won't go as far as saying Reggie was a "franchise player".

But maybe i'm misinterpreting (sp?) the notion...

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PauloCatarino

Well, if you consider a guy that has 2 3rd team selections NBA Top-10, i can easily concede that Reggie was, in 2 years, All-Nba top-10.

2 Years...

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HippieHair33

at first when i saw your statements i thought that maybe you weren't a big bball fan back when reggie was in his prime but based on that statement you must have been watching his career. i don't understand how you could watch him unfold as he did and not consider him a franchise player. he took an nba team, as well as the entire state of indiana and made sure that everyone who ever asked "what's a pacer?" found out what a pacer was.

maybe it has to do with what you consider to be a "franchise player". but i certainly think that a player who brought his team from nothing into title contention, was that team's star for 18 years, and still, at the age of 39, has back to back 28+ point games after an already strenuous 82 game season just because he loves his team, knowing very well that the chances of a pacer championship are very very slim is a "franchise player".

Reggie probably never once in his career was the best guard in the game, but consistantly for 18 seasons he has worked his *** off and led his team as best as he could and done a damn good job of it imho.

Whether he's your idea of a "franchise player" or not, he still is the greatest three point shooter of all time and probably the best at what he does in the entire world (flopping, shooting, running w/o the ball, etc.) and will certainly be inducted into the hall of fame.

He may not be the "ideal" franchise player but he is definately the best player to ever wear a pacer jersey and will go down in history as the guy that put the pacers, as well as indiana, on the map. 'nough said

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PauloCatarino

Good post.

Maybe it is my "idea" of "franchise player"... Cause all you posted is true.

Reggie's great and a sure-fire ho, IMHO...

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naptownpimp

im sure this guy has written articles about how peyton manning sucks too....

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I think this proves how underrated Reggie has been throughout his career. He is skinny guy who took punishment and gave just as much through his scoring. People compare other guards to him, ie. Rip, that should show you what kind of skill and game he has. Reggie will be forever remembered as the first great Pacer.

It's been my pleasure to have watched him grow all the way through college and as a pro. (I know that shows how old I am

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alot of the stuff like whether or not he was on the 1st,2nd,3rd string all nba is a bunch of garbage anyway. much of the time it is a popularity contest. reggie was far better than several guys listed like dale ellis or spreewell, richmond and such. just because those guys were liked by the writers more does not mean they were more effective. those selections for the all nba don't really bother me.
franchise player? definately, superstar definately. this article is by a guy who just wants to get his name in the mix and get noticed for taking a stance, even if it is a bunch of b.s. good and very good players don't go to the hall of fame and reggie will.-- in about 5 years. count on it.

MillerTime

I'm just gonna pretend i never saw this thread.....

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The Future7

This guy just wants attention. Im sure other reporters read this and laughed. Reggie basically was the Pacers and they surrounded him with good talent.