Grangerx33

I've been sick lately so I havn't posted much on here, but here are somethings I have found true for a while now. Maybe they have been posted maybe not I dunno.

The Pacers seem to play better as a team without JO. Once again the men in the strips shirts won MVP's for the Pistons, not trying to take anything away from the Pistons, they are a good team, but it always seems like the refs help them ALOT. Peja isn't the 3 point shooter we traded for, it seems most of his points are comming in close off cuts, which Danny Granger does better, Granger is also making alot of his shots from the outside too, why isn't Danny Granger starting? Anthony Johnson should win most improved award. Danny Granger or Fred Jones should win 6th man award. Danny Granger should be 2nd in rookie of the year running, for how he plays on the court even though he doesn't get as much time as other rookies.

PaCeRhOLiC

I agree with everything except about J.O.

Trust me winning without Jermaine is a mirage, we look better and play more fun, but the fact is a championship team cannot be without a major post presence...

We need him believe that....




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As much I dislike Jermaine, I agree. We need some kind of major presence in there, and Jermaine is the only player we have that can do that. If only he would not fade away when he shoots, I wouldn't have as much of a problem with him shooting. When he comes back, hopefully he won't isolate as early, that's key.

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Grangerx33

Oh, don't get me wrong. I love JO and I believe we are a much better team with him. I just don't think they play as well together with him, everything is about him. When he is gone, everyone gets involved alot more so. If we used JO without getting him the ball every play I think we would be alot better. He said he would take less shots, I dunno if he will follow through on that though.

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I see no reason why not take J.O.'s words...



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Except that you are trying to take something away from the pistons by even mentioning it. And quite frankly I thought the pacers were getting away with some stuff. But regardless there was a difference of 4 pf calls between the teams. The real story is that the pistons had more turnovers than assists. 5 more.

jermaine7fan

IMO...

I hope not too sick...



It's not really that...

We have a new offensive style the benefits the team more... our role players are all finding their nitches on the team... and are starting to gel with their teammates... Nearly every player on our team is in a more comfortable spot and all are playing with improved capabilities than they were when we last had a healthy JO... Peja has made a big difference too... I dare say he fits better within the team concept offense than Ron ever could have... AND... Peja is producing better for us in his first 10 games... than Ron did in his first 17...

JO is going to make us quite scary upon his arrival... first off... JO should be fully healed upon his return... so unless he gets injured again... we will have a healthy JO for the playoffs... for the first time in 3 seasons... He has been quoted as saying he likes the new offense... and he plans to try to fit in with it... he says he will no longer be shooting 15-20 shots a game... he wants to play the more uptempo style (though some feel he is not fit for it... I disagree...) I doubt you will see him running in many fast breaks... but you should see a lot more movement without the ball from him on offense... his scoring may drop... but his rebounds and assists have a good chance of improving... and our team has a good chance of improving it's record... the only thing the Pacers are missing within the team style... move the ball... player movement... is a post presence... who fits in well with all of that...

Some people feel JO doesn't have a chance of fitting in with the team offense... but look back to what his role was for the team just 3 or 4 seasons ago... when he was very effective in an offensive role that didn't revolve around him... then take into consideration just how much he has improved upon many parts of his game... ESPECIALLY his passing game...

Then consider his addition of new teammate Peja... a guy who brings some of the movement without the ball (through many screens like the Reg... but Reggie did it better)... and great perimeter shooting (even though you seem to disagree)... and a super high FT%... all things that Reggie Miller did very well... Peja plays this role in a similar way... though not as well as a 29 year old Reggie would... but I'll sure take it any day... my point is though... JO should feel quite comfortable with Peja as his #2... because Peja plays the EXACT same role Reggie did... and JO is cumfy with that...

Also... JO for Peja... should be very much like Webber was for him... JO's game is about as close to Webber's as anyone in the league... JO has a passing game... but he hasn't honed it yet like Webber had... but still JO should distract the D in the exact same way Webber did for Peja...

I noticed something about Peja against Detroit the other night... he is GREAT at creating spacing on the floor... I noticed it when he came off a pick on the right side of the wing... Jackson was rolling towards the middle from the left side wing... and they would have created a jumble in one spot... had Peja gone through the screen... but he just sat there while his man did too... it was a two second pick as Peja stood there... and then dished it to Jackson... ANYWAY... that's just an example of how he improves the spacing on our offense...

So just wait until JO returns with a greatly improved supporting cast... and also a greatly improved offensive style... before you bluntly say we play better without him... there are a great deal of factors involved... you can't depend on what the record says in this case for simple analysis... there are a ton of variables...





It's a trait throughout NBA history... the most proven... will get the most preference in calls... the Mike Jordan push-off-crossover is all you need to see for example... but I don't think we really got THAT big of a shaft... many of the questionable calls come on Dave... and that happens in any game... not just against DET... Dave has not earned the respect of the officials yet... but he is going to one day



Do you realize that Peja is 4% off of shooting 50% from 3 land... since joining the Pacers?...

And... do you really want him to be one-dimesional on offense?.. We need him to take the basket cuts to get him to the line... though he's been struggling a bit (for Peja anyway)... you still want to get a FT shooter like that on the line... and Peja's not going to get the actor calls Reggie got while shooting... Peja is 6'10" and a leader in FT% for the league... you have to have him cut to get him to the line... and to make him less predictable... it's easy to gaurd someone who stands around the wing...

Peja stats
17.3 PPG... up to 19.7... +2.4 PPG
1.56 TO... down to 1.30... +0.26 less TO
0.10 BPG... up to 0.20... +0.10 BPG
0.68 SPG... up to 0.90... +0.22 SPG
5.70 RPG... up to 6.90... +1.2 RPG

BUT MOST RELATED TO WHAT YOU SAID...
3 %... 41.5% up to 46.8%... up 5.3 %
FG%... 42.0% up to 46.7%... up 4.7%

His FT% and APG are the only two slumping catagories for him... and I will garauntee he won't end up with an 80-something % when he leaves Indy...

So I don't really know what you were expecting from him... but he has been more than what I had thought we would get... he just fits into the Reggie role about as well as anyone not named Richard Hamilton could... Rip runs through screens better... Peja shoots from the perimeter better...




Yup... he is coming along very well... has improved nearly ever single stat... up every single month... could truly become the most complete player EVER... though LeBron is pushing things...



Energy and production off the bench... Peja's great addition to the team... Danny is still playing 21 minutes a game... I don't care if he starts... so long as he plays... and he does



David West... WAYYY more consistantly improved...



I am not really sure who I think deserves it... Danny and Fred are good... but I don't think either is prolly gonna be a leading candidate for 6th man... Fred has the better chance...



I agree... but it prolly won't happen... I think he could finish as high as 3rd... the media LOVES Bogut and Paul...

PaCeRhOLiC

Another great post J.7... ...



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