DienerTime

Look he is just not getting it done. Why couldn't we just do the Carter Deal? It is just as easy to trade him next off season as O'Neal(if not easier), and he would give us at least a little excitement for the next of the season. But no, we decide to keep O'Neal, who never plays, and when he does, is no fun to watch. We need to just Fire Bird regarless of his "Larry Legend" status. He doesn't do schit for this franchise. and don't start that whole excuse where he didn't have good offers. Carter is a fair trade, and from the sounds of the Miller trade that was fair too unless they wanted a 1st. Bird just has to go now. Two straight years with no deals at the deadline, come on man thats bull.

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DannyGranger33

Why couldn't we do the Carter deal? Are you kidding me?

We're rebuilding - that's why. You don't rebuild by trading for a 31 year old forward that just signed a $61M extension for the next 4 years.

The same forward that shoots at the same clip as Troy Murphy, routinely takes games off, doesn't defend, and is hurt more than he is healthy

Just because he can do a 360 windmill dunk, doesn't mean he is something this franchise needs.

For once the front office did the right thing - they didn't acquire Mike Miller and his bloated salary.. and thank GOD they didn't trade an expiring deal for an overhyped dunker.

If we wanted a guy that could dunk and entertain the fans, I'm sure we would have went after Gerald Green today.

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Bartholomew Hunt

Either way, you guys deserve better. I pretty much hate every other team in the NBA, but always have liked the Pacers(and the Hawks to an extent) for some reason. Hang in there.

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DannyGranger33

It will be a bumpy few years, but if we play our cards right we can be back in the Eastern fold sometime in the near future

Of course - that's a big if given our FO. But if they resist the bad trades like the rumored Miller/Carter deals, that's a good sign.

A lotto pick + Granger is a nice start

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PaCeRhOLiC

Great post!, although I do agree that Bird is a horrible GM, but you're right about him not trading after Carter or Miller. He's made alot of stupid mistakes, the biggest being that idiotic trade with GS. I read somewhere that Walsh is probably going to end up in NY soon, if that does happen I think that will be the end of Larry as well, which is good news for this organization...but he should've never been hired in the 1st. place...IMO he is the sole reason for our team's demise, I mean Artest had alot to do with it as well, but LB is the biggest reason for us being where we currently are.

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Originally Posted by DienerTime Granger will be about on Rashard Lewis or Hedo Turkoglu's level in his prime.... Most players are done developing after 3 years.

Rashard Lewis
Third Season [00-01]: 14.8; 6.9; 1.6; 1.2; 0.6; 1.65
Best [Ninth] Season [06-07]: 22.4; 6.6; 2.4; 1.1; 0.6; 1.97
Hedo Turkoglu
Third Season [02-03]: 6.7; 2.8; 1.3; 0.4; 0.2; 0.75; 1.90
Best [Eighth] Season [07-08]: 19.4; 6.0; 4.7; 0.9; 0.3; 2.86
Danny Granger
Third Season [07-08]: 18.2; 5.7; 1.9; 1.1; 1.0; 2.20

According DT, if Granger has Turkoglu's inflation, then by 2012-2013, Granger's statline will be:
59.7; 12.2; 6.9; 2.5; 0.4; 3.3
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There is no need to hate VC that much. First off he is not a foward he is a guard and he is 5 times the talent Troy Murphy is. Plus how is VC always injured he has miseed 5 games in the last two years...?

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DienerTime

I think he has McGrady and Carter mixed up..

Anyways, don't tell me you guys wouldn't be excited if we traded JO--who has not played in a long time-- for someone who could contribute like Carter. Granted, we wouldn't be contenders, but we would be better and more entertaining. And O'Brien has a knack for turning players who don't care (like Antoine Walker) into good players. Carter is already an all star, so what could O'Brien turn him into?

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DannyGranger33

He's missed 4 games this year and has been playing on a jacked up ankle the whole season.

He was routinely hurt in Toronto as well.

It doesn't really matter how many games he plays though, he got paid he's happy. He's back to the lazy Vince of old before he got his big deal.

My point was - you don't rebuild a team by trading for a 31 year old jumpshooter that has a shooting percentage in Troy Murphy's area. You don't rebuild a team by picking up a contract worth 45 mil over the next 3 years.

Trades like that are the reason we are in rebuilding mode, the front office got reckless with trades and picked up guys with ridiculous salaries and guys that didn't fit the system we had in place (I still believe Carlisle is an excellent coach with the right people).

Trading for Vince Carter would have been a disaster. Plain and simple.

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DannyGranger33

I wouldn't be excited.. I'd seriously change my status from "Pacer fan" to "Granger fan" if we acquired a guy like Carter.

Besides what's the point of selling the future for winning 3-5 more games this season when if by some miracle we sneak into the 8 seed.. we're going to get pummeled by Boston or Detroit anyway? Wouldn't you rather build a team around young players like Granger and Shawne Williams? I know I would.

Had we traded for Carter - Granger's game by game improvement would end because Carter would start throwing up 25-30 shots a night. For once Bird did the right thing, intentionally or unintentionally.

Sidenote.. Antoine Walker has never been a good player. So I don't know what you're talking about here

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"I do a lot of things well, and I guess that’s what makes me special. I rebound, I block shots, I pass, I’m a pretty good passer and I make threes. I think I have the ability. My role just isn’t to score, I can do a lot of other things to affect the game. A lot of players, if they’re not scoring, they’re not really making their presence known on the court. I can do that."

Danny Granger - The next big thing to hit the NBA.
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