Bird already experimented with a 6'10 do it all type player, remember Jonathan Bender.
Jonathan Bender couldn't do ****. He's nothing like Earl Clark.
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But really, it all boils down to the fact that Clark plays the same position as Indiana's best player.
Not really. I have no doubt he can play some 4, especially in our offense.
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As for Tyler, book it, he'll be starting next to Murphy by season's end.
At....Center? That makes no sense. Roy's going to be starting all next year unless he pisses Obie off, in which case we have Jeff Foster.
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The guy's a hard worker and contrary to the way he is portrayed, he's actually talented.
I'll give you both, but I don't think his scoring game is going to translate to the NBA at all. He relied way too much on size and getting calls in college. He might turn into a fine rebounder with a good jumper, but I don't see anything else to be excited about.
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The guy was one of the best athletes in the workouts.
...right. He was pretty much middle-of-the-pack in everything except bench press in the combine. I mean, I like his running vertical, but he screams extremely average to me. The combine is a terrible assessment for athleticism, too. James Harden tested as one of the best athletes even though he doesn't play like it at all.
If you're actually talking about workouts, I can't say anything about those. I didn't watch those and they don't have any information.
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You also cant find five better mid-range shooters than him in that draft.
Yes I can. As big men, probably not, but the big men in this draft sucked.
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If mocks were willing to have Blair a 6'6 PF go to the Pacers, why turn around and diss the Hansbrough pick? Hansbrough's a legit 6'9.
Wingspan. And it's really not about height, either. Blair's a more skilled rebounder, is bigger, stronger, has a potential post game, etc.
I really didn't want Blair, though. He excited me initiallybecause of the Thabeet game, but the more I looked the more I thought he'd be the next Ike Diogu. He seems like he cares more than Diogu, though, so that's promising.
Yeh, so? Every team needs a post player. All we have right now is Hibbert, and every big on the team besides him has range out to 18 feet. Hibbert has pretty solid range, too.
Tyler Hansbrough's measurements are extremely similar to Blake Griffin's. Thats all you need to know about combines and measurements. And he pretty much dominated everyone he went against in workouts, the reports are out there.
Clark's a small forward. Thats where he is best at. Did you watch him at Louisville? They could have played him at the 4, but his game is not suited for that. Bender showed promise before the injuries concern, what do you mean he couldnt do ****?
Blair was the only legit rebounder on Pittsburghs' frontline, heck on the whole Pitt team. The same cant be said for the college team that had the best front court in the nation. Dont get it confused, Tyler Hansbrough can rebound the ball.
Tyler's not going to be scoring in the post, thats for sure. But you know what, maybe he can work on his post skills, its not out of the realm for a guy known as a very hard worker. Udonis Haslem was the starting 4 on a championship team, he is the same height as Tyler and his strengths also lie in his mid range game. Troy Murphy played a lot of center at GS, its not like he cant play the position. Hansbrough will work his way into that starting lineup, thats my outrageously wacky prediction.
Poor draft or not, you cant find that many sweet shooting big men like him.
Tyler Hansbrough's measurements are extremely similar to Blake Griffin's. Thats all you need to know about combines and measurements.
Exactly.
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And he pretty much dominated everyone he went against in workouts, the reports are out there.
Duh. He's a top college player, and a Senior at that, playing college guys and weak Euros. Of course he did. I want to see him play NBA guys.
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Clark's a small forward. Thats where he is best at. Did you watch him at Louisville?
Louisville's been my favorite college team for the past 3 years and I live in the midwest, so I can see a decent number of their games. Up until this year I thought he was a Small Forward all the way, but he's not an overwhelmingly agile guy for his size, and he is over 6'10" and about 230. He's stronger this year than he's ever been, and with some weight training, he could play the 4. Maybe not all the time right now, but in a few years, it's possible. We've played Danny Granger and Stephen Graham at the 4. If those guys can in our offense, Earl Clark can.
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Bender showed promise before the injuries concern, what do you mean he couldnt do ****?
He showed promise in practice, but that's about it. I was never a fan of his. He was too scrawny to be a big man, and too slow to be a guard. His jumper was too bad for the perimeter and he had no post game at all. Slashing was fine if he played a big man, but any big was knock him on his ***. He played about the equivalent of 3 seasons on the court in his career, so sure, given more time, he might've developed. Maybe a starter after 8-9 years in the league, but he didn't really have any skills. Just all athleticism and potential. After 6 off seasons he didn't ever show too much improvement.
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Blair was the only legit rebounder on Pittsburghs' frontline, heck on the whole Pitt team. The same cant be said for the college team that had the best front court in the nation. Dont get it confused, Tyler Hansbrough can rebound the ball.
He can and that's probably going to be his best attribute, but Blair's better. Tyler was boxed out a lot last year when he shouldn't have been. UNC did not have the best front court in the nation. I like Ed Davis and Deon Thompson as much as most people, but they're not that great.
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Tyler's not going to be scoring in the post, thats for sure. But you know what, maybe he can work on his post skills, its not out of the realm for a guy known as a very hard worker.
Sure, anyone can work on their game, and Hansbrough has a great work ethic. Point is he's less likely than other people to be successful at it.
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Udonis Haslem was the starting 4 on a championship team, he is the same height as Tyler and his strengths also lie in his mid range game.
If Hansbrough ever becomes the defender Haslem is, I welcome him to start.
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Troy Murphy played a lot of center at GS, its not like he cant play the position.
Golden State sucked with Murphy. He played it last year in spurts, but it wasn't pretty. The paint turns into a Vegas whore's vagina when Troy Murphy plays there by himself. Everyone goes there and scores without a problem.
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Hansbrough will work his way into that starting lineup, thats my outrageously wacky prediction.
Well, I thought HKF was dumb last year for predicting Hibbert would be starting the 2nd half of the season, and he did, so it's certainly plausible. Problem is, though, that Hibbert had to compete with often injured Rasho Nesterovic and Jeff Foster. Hansbrough is competing with Troy Murphy who just had the best year of his career. He's the only guy in NBA history to average 10 rpg and shoot 45% from 3 in a year.
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Poor draft or not, you cant find that many sweet shooting big men like him.
I wouldn't call him sweet shooting. His jumper started coming along this year and he has terrible form, but it goes in sometimes, so that's good.
Ed Davis is a top 5 pick and would have been the 3rd pick if he stayed in this draft. He and Deon gobble up boards. Also realize that Roy sticks to his round rotation, meaning Tyler doesnt get as much time as he really should, despite that he still put up decent rebounding numbers.
I lived in Louisville for a while, I also follow the team a lot. Clark's a 3.
How can you tell what Tyler will succeed in or not? He came into college and couldnt shoot worth a lick, he's developed into one of the better shooter in the games.
He shot 52% from inside the perimeter, thats a sweet shooting big man. He even shot 39% from 3pt land, though he only took a few.
Ed Davis is a top 5 pick and would have been the 3rd pick if he stayed in this draft. He and Deon gobble up boards.
Which explains Hansbrough's drop in rpg. It doesn't do anything for Hansbrough being boxed out by players smaller than he is, even though he's pretty good at it. I'm not saying he's a bad rebounder at all. He's good, he fights hard, and he boxes guys out, but I wouldn't say he's better than DeJuan Blair.
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I lived in Louisville for a while, I also follow the team a lot. Clark's a 3.
You really think his speed and ball handling are good enough for a Small Forward? I think he can play it and well, but not constantly. Guys like Caron Butler would strip him all day.
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How can you tell what Tyler will succeed in or not? He came into college and couldnt shoot worth a lick, he's developed into one of the better shooter in the games.
Because some parts of basketball are physical and others aren't. The way to become a good shooter is simple. Not easy, but simple. Get a high release and work on it a lot. Obviously no one can definitively say who will succeed in what. We're talking about likelihoods and projections. Hasheem Thabeet could turn into a beast down low if he worked hard enough at it. He probably won't, though.
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He shot 52% from inside the perimeter, thats a sweet shooting big man.
That's also him scoring a ton around the basket. When he misses, the oppposition's often called for a foul, so the miss won't. What happens when he doesn't get those calls? FG% goes way down.
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He even shot 39% from 3pt land, though he only took a few.
Yeh, he extended his range. He worked on his jumper. We're not arguing anything specific. We're both saying the same, exact, thing. His jumper's progressively improved, yes, but I mean, a "sweet shooter," really? It's not a main part of his game. It's a fallback, really, and teams were still leaving him open for jumpers because he's not respected enough in that aspect. Do I think he'll improve? Yes. Do I think he'll be a solid jump shooter for the Pacers off the bench? Yes. Sweet shooter? No.
Will he take Bill Lambier's place in the "punched in the face" hall of fame?
I think he would be good to bring off the bench early on in his career toward the end of most teams starters rotation. He would be good to get cheap ones on them. I think he really could be a killer for the second unit.
Eventually, he will learn to stay on the floor. If he isn't given "the label" that so many of his ilk get.
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Hansbrough is going to work his *** off. Thats an absolute guarantee. I think if you use him correctly he coule be a very good role player for you guys. He could be pretty productive in pick and pop situations, and he will grab a few rebounds. Will he start? No, probably not but he is going to be a nice piece for you guys as you go into the future.
Bird's first job was to erase the past and start anew with a safe, solid bunch and I think Hansbrough is a part of that. He can learn from Murphy and Foster and make himself a better player.
Haven't you had enough of the Benders and Harringtons with this "great upside" where you wait years to find they are either mediocre or worse ??? Get players like Granger, Hansbrough, Jack, Murphy who can play today. Maybe they are not all stars but, they are solid players who produce every night.
Hibbert is just a big body you put under the basket. Don't expect big mins or anything out of him. Maybe you can throw him at Shaq !
Hibbert is just a big body you put under the basket. Don't expect big mins or anything out of him. Maybe you can throw him at Shaq !
This is just flat out wrong. Hibbert is younger than Hansbrough for your information and he is only turning 23 in december, while Hansbrough will be 24 when the season starts. Hibbert is not just a big body and it would be nice if people knew what they were talking about regarding a team they don't watch. Hansbrough was drafted to add another big body to the Pacers bench and he was the best one available at the slot they picked.
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